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  1. Value could potentially decrease quite a bit. Once one cigar is missing value will always be substantially reduced disproportionately to the expected value of the intact box divided by the number of sticks. Depends on the cigar. If it's a very special production or humidor that is less likely to be broken and smoked, less than intact is a big issue. If it's something regular production or even general special production like a EL or ER then probably not as much. Basically, if there are sticks missing forget about making any money unless you've got something extremely rare like a partial box of 90s RA Coronas, Boli CE or Party Charlottes or something else from the 1980s or earlier. Monte 520 is a bit of an outlier as it's not that old and was a 10 box, and not as well-received upon initial release as the Sublimes, for example. I have no idea what the current market price is for them but I recall seeing them sell out at vendors for the high $300s. If you say they've languished at $400, I can't really doubt you but that would seem to be a pretty reasonable figure at this point, and I have heard of prices for these in the $500 range, although I have no confirmation of an actual sale. And keep in mind that in 2012 all the ELs were much lower priced from HSA than they are now. I believe the Monte 520 was selling for $160-$180 a box at release. So even at $400, that would represent more than a doubling of price in 5 years which outperforms even the best regular production, and the ELs seem to do even better right through the 10 year mark.
  2. I had estimated the appreciation of top regular production (Cohiba Robustos, for example) at about 10-20% per year (closer to 20% for El Laguito I'd assert) in this thread here: However, ROI is a different matter entirely. In that same thread I estimated storage costs, transportation and/or shipping costs and auction or sale fees will bring your actual ROI to about 3-5% annually. When inflation is considered, there's very little actual profit to be made. I'd rather smoke them at that point. I'd gladly give up $50 profit to have a box of 10-year old Cohiba Robustos or Esplendidos I've aged myself. Now, special production, OTOH, is another matter. As I pointed out in this thread, cigars like Cohiba and Monte ELs, Gran Reservas and certain ERs (such as Edmundo Dantes, La Escepcion) perform much better than the most sought-after regular production. I think an astute investor with resources could do much better than 3-5% if picking some of these cigars which, if you know what to grab, doesn't have to be too difficult. The Dip Bushido and SP Eslavo are two recent examples that anyone who knows CCs well could see have huge investment potential. Of course, all the Gran Reservas have done very well in the secondary market. Cohiba ELs are always gold.
  3. I agree, the two jars clearly seem to be different sizes even taking the fore and background perspective into account, and the HU logo being obscured by the metal band just doesn't seem like it would be right, and that jar is substantially shorter than all the others. Highly suspect IMO. It does however appear that the taller PC jar could be legit, and looks like a 50 jar, so there's another one that has potentially surfaced and is located in a museum/collection and would be the fourth example I've seen with only two of those in very good condition or better.
  4. In no particular order: 2014 Connie A 2015 Boli Tubos No. 1 2015 Boli CG 2016 Punch Punch 2015 El Principe
  5. I see, and I didn't think I was saying anything you weren't aware of anyway. The EMS stamp is, of course, still used, but according to the H & F site: The EMS stamp guarantees that the cigars have been imported directly from Habanos SA in Cuba by its appointed UK distributor (Hunters & Frankau) and that the boxes have been shipped and stored by experts. The cigars have also passed an additional UK quality check and all UK Duties have been paid and correct UK health warnings applied. I don't think the rumor regarding EMS actually getting better product was propagated much after the early 90s as it is fairly accepted that the current EMS labeling is, as you state, almost totally a H & F marketing ploy playing on the old EMS classification that was used in Cuba for most of the 20th century which was the source of the rumor. H & F is wisely not letting a good rumor go to waste!
  6. I believe I recall seeing it on a CC of mine before, but so long ago I can't remember when or where. I don't know if 1 out of 5,000 cigars qualifies as standard practice, but I have seen it before. As far as pre-selection for markets, I'm not sure if that's really a factor even if it happens. Gray market vendors acquire their stock from a pretty wide swath of distributors, so any box one gets is liable to be from any of a number of markets. Would be very difficult to isolate a market that is getting a preference in selection. The only one I'm aware of that ever did was EMS, although I have heard that Hunters does still have some preference and PCC does as well, but that's only a rumor.
  7. Amazing how QC can catch something like a small wrapper nick but not something like half the sticks in a box upside down.
  8. HU jars, both pre and post-Rev, are quite common, but the vast majority are Crystales, PC 25s and Coronas 25s and 50s. As noted, the market value for any of those, depending on condition, is generally between $100-500. This PC 50s jar is an oddball in a big way.
  9. Right, and I'm in no way overly confident in my assessment which is based on primarily the C. Gars price and the fact that it appears there only may be a handful of these in existence, one being in Cigar One's museum that appears to be in less-than-ideal condition but indicating that it is as rare as it appears. There are several factors at play here, but the C. Gars price in 2010 and it's apparent rarity and age seem to clearly put the value of a jar in excellent condition at at least $2,000. Sure, it's hard to use the term "market" for any extremely rare item, but the C. Gars price is to me a solid indication of value. @gpugliese's jar is the best-looking of the three I can find by far, and that's ostensibly a huge factor. That jar could absolutely sell for north of $2,000--possibly much more. And I do agree, it's not really a super-esoteric piece in the sense that HU jars are very common, and it would take someone who understands the rarity of this particular jar. But those people are out there since you and me are those people!
  10. If it was in fact a jar of 50 (the proportions on the jar you pictured looked a bit more consistent with a 25 jar) that would be the third example unearthed, and I'm not sure if the jar actually sold for $2,000 but that's certainly more in line with my amateur estimate of the price with the mislabeled as 1970s C. gars jar having sold for ~$1,600 in 2010. Perhaps $2,000 was a bit ambitious in 2010, but I would imagine that price (or higher) could be obtainable today.
  11. That's pretty rich, even for Suckling. I'm hoping he's being extremely facetious...
  12. Is that a jar of 25 or 50? The difference is critical, as the 25 jars are common and are known for a fact to have been offered for Coronas and Petit Coronas. It's specifically the 50 jar of PCs that is the item in question. 50 jars of Coronas are also listed as being offered post-Rev, but not for the PC. A 50 jar of Coronas of any era would be much more common and ostensibly far less valuable. Also, without the warranty seal, it's much more difficult to date that jar. You'd need someone who's seen a lots of jars both post and pre-Rev to be able to date it using other characteristics. Again, almost all HU jars of the last 80 years would be worth somewhere between $100 and $500 depending on condition, which is why I think whomever the OP spoke with at JJ Fox pegged the value around there, failing to realize the peculiar rarity of a 50 jar of PCs.
  13. Haven't heard much about these lately, but they generally seem to consistently be less regarded than either the RGPC or RGP. Based on my experience with the closest cigar to it--the PL Panetelas--I find it to be much more smokeable fresh than the PLPC or PLMC, and I like them a lot.
  14. Great cigar, young or aged. Very, very small though--basically Puritos size, but they should be smoked slowly enough to last for well over 30 mins. And I really have to be honest--their cost per gram is actually very high. Not exactly a great value. But for what they are, they're unbeatable.

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