North Korea ?? Your thougjts

[OZCUBAN]

With tensions rising on the Korean peninsular what are your thoughts ? on this potentially dangerous situation, what do you think might happen 

maybe this a case in point of what happens when you don't finish the job first time around 

cheers ? 

[JohnS]

What will I think will happen? Has Kim Jong-un heard of Manuel Noriega and Saddam Hussein? As it's commonly decried, "ignore history at your own peril!"

On a lighter note, I forgot to warn our dear friend @Fuzz last night at the Sydney FoH Get Together to beware of beautiful Vietnamese girls who'd like him to smell their handkerchiefs next time he's in Kuala Lumpur Airport.

[OZCUBAN]

Thanks John but as we all know very well we all know what happens when a dictator is removed recent history tells us that ?

[Jimmy_jack]

I think they need a regional edition. 

[Guest Nekhyludov]

1 minute ago, Jimmy_jack said:

I think they need a regional edition. 

Short and fat, no doubt 

[OZCUBAN]

With a tendency to explode ?

[Dmpotocek]

I think they need a regional edition. 

That just may be the missing piece of the puzzle. But in a seriousness, NK is a non issue. KJ really has it made in his current state of affairs. He gets to run his mouth and saber rattle all he wants, and then tell his people how great NK is, and because they are cut off from the rest of the world, they don't know any better. All of that goes away if the rest of the world has to come in and straighten him out.


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[Smallclub]

I think NK would make a nice parking lot…

j/k

[Ethernut]

Personally I think what will happen is..

nothing

 

(but it makes for interesting news)

 

[MIKA27]

Weather someone intervenes or not, North Korea is a threat to the region and will eventually do something crazy.

Saying this, I don't think war is good but war is inevitable weather people like it or not, ignoring this issue will not make it go away and if this is ignored, it may be too late once the crazies launch a nuke. I think the world has ignored this issue for far too long and given NK time to keep perfecting their arsenal which up until now, hasn't been proven to be accurate.

Ignoring this is not good but retaliation is also not great. I don't think my response is an answer but more questions added to the thread.

I don't like North Korean rule, it is a typical dictatorship and always at the expense of the people whom I feel for.

This scene came to mind however for a potential way of tackling the situation

 

 

[archosaur]

I find North Korea very sad, but fascinating.  To basically isolate and brainwash a whole country of millions for generations is unbelievable.  I am a bit skeptical that the regime would do anything to really escalate a conflict with superpowers...but the nuke component is pretty scary.

[Jimmy_jack]

Until they want change nothing beneficial will happen. The will of the people must be for change. If the UN or some other gathering of powers liberates NK by force or other means, without the people's support it will not end well. 

[Philc2001]

A lot of saber rattling. Nothing new. The only difference is instead of one crazy crazy MoFo we now have two. Wouldn't put it past either one to push past the brink.


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[Fuzz]

2 hours ago, JohnS said:

What will I think will happen? Has Kim Jong-un heard of Manuel Noriega and Saddam Hussein? As it's commonly decried, "ignore history at your own peril!"

On a lighter note, I forgot to warn our dear friend @Fuzz last night at the Sydney FoH Get Together to beware of beautiful Vietnamese girls who'd like him to smell their handkerchiefs next time he's in Kuala Lumpur Airport.

I'll have you know @JohnS, I have better hair than that nutbar. I'm already wary of one pretty Viet girl, but she's waving around a Bible, not a hanky.

My thoughts on NK? Ring it with steel and concrete, let nothing pass. Deny all commerce and travel to and from the country. Eventually they will capitulate.

[bman75]

I'm thinking the likely target if DPRK goes nuts is Tokyo due to the massive effect it would have on world financial markets (not to mention historical animosity toward Japanese aggression towards Korea).  They could damage the West most with that move, more so than hitting a US Pacific base.

[JohnInCleveland]

For too long we've allowed provocations to go ignored.  We drew a line in the sand in Syria, no chemical weapons, and when they ignored the line we let Russia deal with it.  And they gassed their people again.  

 

I'm against war and conflict but if there was anything to be learned from WWII, it's that meeting aggression and provocation with capitulation only encourages more abhorrent behavior.  

[jwr0201]

Dangerous situation with a psychotic short fat Kim dictator with a severe inferiority complex in charge of the world's 4th largest standing army.  Complex problem because innocent countries would surely be targeted, even though fat boy's animosity is primarily directed towards the US.  Question is whether China would get involved should there be a first strike against NK by the US.  Korean Police Action II would come to no good end if China and the US came to odds again.  NK alone would be a problem, but not an impossible task to solve.

Fat Kim has his people firmly under control for now, because he is killing off his closest personnel at an alarming rate and the ones still around are terrified not to obey.  Look at the sad grins and forced smiles on even the generals faces when Kimmie even grunts.  At some point, you would think that the military would just simply put a cap in his fat dumb ass and be done with it!

[kuma]

Chubby school bully.  Leave him in place.  Iraq and Libya whose dictators where removed allowed

something much more brutal to fill the void; ISIS!

[MIKA27]

3 hours ago, archosaur said:

I find North Korea very sad, but fascinating.  To basically isolate and brainwash a whole country of millions for generations is unbelievable.

True indeed and again, this flick comes to mind as it is one of many rumours this regime has brainwashed their own people with.  

True or not its funny as hell.

 

[NSXCIGAR]

25 minutes ago, jwr0201 said:

 At some point, you would think that the military would just simply put a cap in his fat dumb ass and be done with it!

That's the one thing that's always crossed my mind in the last few years. How have his closest top brass not snuffed this guy and his whole family Roman emperor style? If one thing has been proven, it's that no one is safe around this guy, even those previously thought to be untouchable. Really impressive that this guy is still alive at this point. 

Anyway, my general thoughts are that DPRK isn't really a serious threat. They have a large but ineffective army akin to Russia's in the 1930s. Their nuclear capability is very limited. Maybe a few very small-yield devices that might actually work in practice. I don't think they could launch a missile anywhere important that wouldn't be shot down. They have established a pattern of saber-rattling and getting relief or aid for decades. I think China is the holder of all the cards and if they actually started cutting off support for them as they should have done a long time ago they would totally collapse. From there, a Chinese & S. Korean contingent would have to cooperate in liberating these poor hostages that are the North Korean citizens. 

[LordAnubis]

Sticking our noses into other peoples business hasnt worked out too well for us the last few times has it? If they start invading another country then deal with them swiftly, no problems. They aren't a big bad enemy. Yes a terrible country for the people and all we can do is allow their people the freedom to leave where we are able. But who wants asylum seekers these days? I guess they aren't muslim so they have that going for them. Leave them be and let them run their own country to the ground. At some point someone will stand up and do the hard work to better their country. It must be natural, not a forced overthrow with some serious help. No one is the world police.

[topdiesel]

5 hours ago, JohnS said:

What will I think will happen? Has Kim Jong-un heard of Manuel Noriega and Saddam Hussein? As it's commonly decried, "ignore history at your own peril!"

It is always dangerous to ignore history.  It seems like something happened there in the 50's.  I don't think it ended well, but the details escape me.  I mean there's no way a puny county like Korea or Vietnam could defend itself against a super power.  And No Way would Russia or China get involved. 

[JohnnyRocket]

They also have a very large amount of chemical weapons. Specifically, advanced nerve agents such as the binary form of VX. South Korean intelligence estimates they have a very advanced bio weapons program as well. They easily have chemical weapons in the thousands of artillery pieces pointed at South Korea and they have brainwashed "special forces" Who would be willing to act as suicide fighters to bring bio weapons into another country either in by infecting himself or just bringing a bag of smallpox or anthrax and having a larger group spread it around. There are some papers that detail South Korea's ideas of how North Korea would react. I also do think they are going to have to be dealt with somehow. I hope we're keeping track of where the leadership is and we probably should've gone ahead and built or start building neutron bomb's again to limit fall out in South Korea which will be impossible but I don't see a way of taking out the regime....unless, we really know where they are in the about that was closed off and hardest country to gain Intel on.


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[ggaspar]

Yesterday I spoke with our President Vladimir Putin and he told me that if the US attacks North Korea,
 Russian nuclear missiles will be launched at Miami, Tbilisi and Woolloongabba!

 

 

 

[Booyaa]

Less dangerous than the USA, more dangerous than Ireland. Fun times ahead I think.