rhcolbert Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 ....with me at any rate. The boli gm I'm having now is sealing the deal. I've hade these, the h upmann and a couple other boxes in the la casa lines. i find I've had better results with these than le or regionals. Consistency and flavor just seem to ring true with me. And they age so well. As far as DBDG (double banded dollar gobblers) go, I think I'm going to stick with the la casas. Next box purchases for me will be the lgc inmensos and RyJ Cedos de luxe. Damn hoyo elegantes sold out already at the one vendor I knew had em. If anyone has a line on em, PLEASE pm me!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbflash80 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 beside the Libertador which Boli is an LCDH exclusive? Is that a new release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbflash80 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 nevermind...gold medal...been so ling since I seen one I almost forgot about them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhcolbert Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 49 minutes ago, mbflash80 said: nevermind...gold medal...been so ling since I seen one I almost forgot about them... I can't believe I only got 1box o 10 of em. They weren't exorbitant when I got em. Shoulda picked up 2x or 3x but alas that's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigaraholic Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Luckily for me if it's a Lonsdale I'm in love, so I went deep on the BGM's. They're some of my favorite cigars, big rich powerful Cuban tobacco..... just like mom used to make. I'm not crazy about the size of the Libertador's, but I sure do love the tobacco in them, so I've been loading up on them too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I would deem the LCDH releases to be the most successful special release program in terms of overall satisfaction and quality. Almost every model has been fairly well received. The range of vitolas offered is much more traditional (Gorona Gorda, Robusto, Corona, Tacos all represented) and the quality seems to be above average to very good over several years. And the price point is very good and much more in line with regular production than the other special releases are. As is the case with regular production, they do seem to have some off periods of quality--recent RAS come to mind. I think 12-14 RAS production was a bit better than 15-16, for example. But do appreciate the fact that the LCDHs have been very popular and HSA continues to produce them at a fair price while seeming to put some effort into them. I hope none of them get cut from here on out and more interesting options like the HU Noellas and the Hoyo Elegantes are added. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartagasIV Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Don't think you're missing much on the Elegantes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakes Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 7 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said: As is the case with regular production, they do seem to have some off periods of quality--recent RAS come to mind. I think 12-14 RAS production was a bit better than 15-16, for example. But do appreciate the fact that the LCDHs have been very popular and HSA continues to produce them at a fair price while seeming to put some effort into them. I hope none of them get cut from here on out and more interesting options like the HU Noellas and the Hoyo Elegantes are added. It would be nice if some of them eventually entered reg. production.. the price point pretty much fits. Maybe in 25 counts though? After all if they're proving such popular sellers why not? The RAS and BGM spring to mind, and the price gold medals are fetching on the second hand market is crazy given what the cost initially (iirc around $70 a box?), money that could be going to HSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Blakes said: It would be nice if some of them eventually entered reg. production.. the price point pretty much fits. Maybe in 25 counts though? After all if they're proving such popular sellers why not? The RAS and BGM spring to mind, and the price gold medals are fetching on the second hand market is crazy given what the cost initially (iirc around $70 a box?), money that could be going to HSA. At this point, they essentially are regular production. No LCDH release has been cut since 2006 and since then all have been in continuous production (with the exception of the HU Noellas (which apparently had a bit of a hiatus around 2010-2011) with volume sufficient for anyone who wants any to fairly easily obtain them. If that's the way HSA wants to do it, I'm fine with that. Have a line that effectively advertises the LCDH franchises and is technically a special production giving it a bit of a mystique, with production numbers, pricing and quality consistent with regular production. It's actually a very clever marketing ploy that I have no problem with. As long as I can buy them when/if I want them and the quality is high and the pricing decent, I'm happy. Just to give you an idea how the LCDH is considered nearly regular production, CCW lists the Partagas Salomones LCDH under the regular production section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATGroom Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said: Just to give you an idea how the LCDH is considered nearly regular production, CCW lists the Partagas Salomones LCDH under the regular production section. Yeah, more so than anything else the LCDH exclusives tread the line between Special Release and Regular production. At one point they were saying that everything would only be produced for two years, but that doesn't seem to be true in all cases. Occasionally HSA has announced a number - the original press release for the royal robusto for example said it was limited to 5000 boxes... but six years later you can still get them. Basically the rule seems to be "occasional batches of as many as we can sell." They're also a bit flexible on the "exclusive to LCDH" rule. That said, I tend to feel that they are still a "special release" as they belong to a specific program, rather than just "regular production." So I probably should move the Salomones over, along with the Gold Medals and the old San Cristobals etc from the early days of the program when things were even less well defined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ATGroom said: Yeah, more so than anything else the LCDH exclusives tread the line between Special Release and Regular production. At one point they were saying that everything would only be produced for two years, but that doesn't seem to be true in all cases. Occasionally HSA has announced a number - the original press release for the royal robusto for example said it was limited to 5000 boxes... but six years later you can still get them. Basically the rule seems to be "occasional batches of as many as we can sell." They're also a bit flexible on the "exclusive to LCDH" rule. That said, I tend to feel that they are still a "special release" as they belong to a specific program, rather than just "regular production." So I probably should move the Salomones over, along with the Gold Medals and the old San Cristobals etc from the early days of the program when things were even less well defined. Thanks Alex. I believe the HURR was the last to have a stated production limit. They clearly hadn't been abiding by that for any of them after 2006, so I'm glad they just ended that. I suppose the LCDHs should technically be placed in the special release section in their chronological order. The BGM and the HU Noellas are tougher calls as they are both cigars that existed as regular production and were discontinued, only to be resurrected decades later for the LCDH program. However, at the very least, these cigars should be classified the same way. If you're going to put the BGM in the "resurrected" category the same must be done for the HUN. As of now, you've got them listed differently. FWIW, I would personally consider them different cigars entirely, meaning the original BGM and HUN are dead and buried, and the new LCDH versions should be classified as new special release cigars, as the originals were regular production and the LCDHs are special production--technically entirely different cigars. Same goes for any cigar that existed as regular production at one point and was resurrected as an EL or ER, like the Boli Especiales No. 2. IMO, the 2009 ER Alemania BE2 is an entirely different cigar, which is consistent with how you currently have it classified. But it's your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 7 hours ago, ATGroom said: They're also a bit flexible on the "exclusive to LCDH" rule. I guess this flexibility was programmed from the beginning of the program, since there is zero LCDH in Spain and France, the two largest markets for habanos… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Smallclub said: I guess this flexibility was programmed from the beginning of the program, since there is zero LCDH in Spain and France, the two largest markets for habanos… Indeed, these have never been exclusive to LCDH--at least not since 2006. If they're being given to the distributors as they clearly are and have been for years, they then, by definition, are not exclusive to anywhere. Same with the Habanos Specialist releases. These are sold everywhere and given to the worldwide distributors, In fact, the only way for the "specialists" to get them is through the distributors...so it makes no sense. I would imagine LCDHs either don't deal directly with the distributors or have special relationships with the distributors. BTW, my local LCDH currently has none of the LCDH releases on the shelf. That's right--none. Over the last year they've had the LGCI, BL and RyJCD off and on, but are far from fully stocked on them. If you want a LCDH release, don't go to the LCDH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBNInc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The Libertadors are fantastic, I have to smoke 2 at a time so I don't overheat them lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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