Wertman Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hey guys maybe a personal question but has anyone had any experience with TRT? I ask this because I am been reading about it and went to a clinic today and had a bunch of lab work done. Although results are back yet speaking with the doctor he tells me that he can do replacement so I am optimized also shots of something to increase HGH ( human growth hormone). This is all legal by the way. Just wondering if anyone had any experience? They do also prescribe meds so you don't get shrinkage. If anyone is interested I can post progress. Please let me know your input. I live in Phoenix and these kinds of clinics are all over the place here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightonCorgi Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 HGH is normally taken along with Testosterone; not by itself. Biggest benefit is from Testosterone. Be careful and go through a clinic that will do blood screens at least twice a year. These drugs significantly increase red blood cell count and and blood pressure. I would recommend going to a Urologist that specializes in "men's sex" rather than a "rejuvenation clinic". Very big difference between the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthson Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 The latest in the never-ending quest against natural aging. My dad tried it and it was disastrous - none of the supposed health benefits and gave him high blood pressure along with some rage issues. He was smart enough to stop and now has contented himself to grow old as his body sees fit. If you want to boost testosterone and possibly HGH, why not try cutting down on food portions and exercising 5 days a week? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Nation Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I'd be really weary of the whole thing, but especially taking pills to counteract side effects of the procedure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 It caused my neighbor to bulk up rather quickly! On the flip side it changed his behavior some and not really for the positive, but he is pretty 'high strung' in the first place. If you have a wife and kids you might look into an objective view (from a 3rd party) on your behavior after starting. I suppose it depends on the party but from what I have seen it can possibly put a few dents in your marriage! Caveat emptor! -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominattorney Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Wertman said: Hey guys maybe a personal question but has anyone had any experience with TRT? I ask this because I am been reading about it and went to a clinic today and had a bunch of lab work done. Although results are back yet speaking with the doctor he tells me that he can do replacement so I am optimized also shots of something to increase HGH ( human growth hormone). This is all legal by the way. Just wondering if anyone had any experience? They do also prescribe meds so you don't get shrinkage. If anyone is interested I can post progress. Please let me know your input. I live in Phoenix and these kinds of clinics are all over the place here. My business partner did TRT. A lot depends on your age. If you are over 50 with low testosterone and are trying to maintain levels around 4-600, it might be a good bet. However, my partner was in his 30s and in my opinion mis-diagnosed. They tried to blast his levels up to 1200+ and he wound up with testosterone poisoning, leading to a whole host of other medical conditions relating to side effects of medications prescribed to treat the poisoning. PM me if you want to hear more of the nitty gritty. But I'm assuming you're around 40 years old. If so, hit the gym. Lift weights; eat steaks, and T levels will rise. As is usually my advice regarding all health concerns: avoid doctors at all costs unless absolutely necessary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post garbandz Posted June 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2017 " regarding all health concerns: avoid doctors at all costs unless absolutely necessary. " love this. my doctor says " avoid lawyers at all costs unless absolutely necessary " 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightonCorgi Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Test level can go down even if you are super active and a controlled diet. Be careful starting up a new fitness routine if you were previously not so active. The renewed vigor may lead to a gym accident early on. The thresholds that a urologist would strive to have you blood vs a rejuvenation clinc are different. A good friend of mine was in this business and another friend a pharma rep for some Test other drugs... I bet the examples of ill effect in this thread were from the patients going rejuvenation clinics over a urologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Avoid high estrogen foods like soy anything and eat more eggs and nuts + exercise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc2001 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I know three co-workers who have done it. Neither one recommends it. Additionally, many doctors are turning sour on it. Apparently once you do TRT your body further scales back its own testosterone development. Effectively you become dependent on synthetic test for life. There are some supplements and dietary ways to boost test naturally, so TRT is really last resort. Not something I would do.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stogieluver Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 TRT will greatly increase your risk of prostate cancer. This is what my doctors have told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsbourneCox Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 A lot of doctors don't know what they're doing when they prescribe it so patients end up getting massive side effects. But they're doctors so everyone assumes they're an expert on administering it. Typically, they give out test cypionate for an injection once or even worse, every other week. The half life on it isn't that long and you end up with peaks and valleys. Same can happen with hgh. I'm not on it, but my doctor prescribes it and I know a few who he has prescribed to. They claim it's the best thing that's ever happened to them. Definitely not as simple as just taking it. If you're not working out and eat like crap, people are better off to start there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Been on it for around 5 years. Started with injections, but found I do better on a compounding pharmacy's cream. To counter the estradiol, I take a DIM capsule. My T level was low 300's, now I'm in the 800-900 range. PSA and BP all look good. I have blood work done every few months between my rheumatologist and health and wellness doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dijit Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I think TRT is another of those YMMV treatments. My oncologist is firmly against it my family Dr is strongly in favor of it. Old high school friend that is now a research scientist at the mayo clinic told me this. "in a large number of patients receiving this treatment, signs of low T cells (not to be confused with testosterone) are present. T cells kill cancer cells throughout the body. The low T cell count typically is not enough to be worried about but should be monitored as well as PSA, especially in men that have had a vasectomy, and blood pressure." He also went on to explain that men undergoing this treatment should at the very least be on some form of light to moderate daily exercise because the treatment will increase the patients appetite. He did mention also that in a moderate number of patients that show a negative reaction the reaction can be permanently life altering. He did not go into any further details other than to say he felt it was a safe option for me knowing my medical background. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomo Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I'm not a poster but here we go. I'm 40, diabetic(2) Dr said that affected my test levels. I was 163 after treatment he got me to 600. Just go to a dr u trust and remember u are not 16 anymore and the side affects will be low to none. I couldn't feel a diff at 600 but my wife sure did, in a good way. I stopped because all the side affects scared me away but I wasn't having any just didn't want any. I didn't do the shots I did the cream Dr said it held ur test levels more stable. I personally never felt a big change until I stopped taking the medication. Then I knew it was working. I could go on and on on this but moral is we are not 16 numbers like 1600-1000 is to high in my opinion but if u want that then u should know the resks. Good luckSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritimer Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 You might look into natural substance Bulgarian Tribulus... some say it works some say no. I know some have used it to increase waning litter sizes from older Stud dogs and "claim" good results ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 My T was borderline low. My doctor tried testosterone therapy himself, a guy 20 years younger than me, and he said he felt no difference in energy, sex drive or strength/endurance in the gym, so he did not recommend it. But I have heard guys say it changed their lives so I tend to agree with YMMV comment above. You could always try Nugenics, it seems to work well for Frank Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominattorney Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 10:52 AM, BrightonCorgi said: Test level can go down even if you are super active and a controlled diet. Be careful starting up a new fitness routine if you were previously not so active. The renewed vigor may lead to a gym accident early on. The thresholds that a urologist would strive to have you blood vs a rejuvenation clinc are different. A good friend of mine was in this business and another friend a pharma rep for some Test other drugs... I bet the examples of ill effect in this thread were from the patients going rejuvenation clinics over a urologist. My friend went to a urologist. He was just a wacky one. However, generally I agree that the rejuvenation clinics are a terrible idea. Given that TRT is relatively terra incognita at this juncture in medicine, it does seem to me to be a risky proposition either way you slice it. They have no idea how to calculate a proper dosage due to the way serum levels are measured and absorption rates being so drastically different between patients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominattorney Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 10:37 AM, garbandz said: " regarding all health concerns: avoid doctors at all costs unless absolutely necessary. " love this. my doctor says " avoid lawyers at all costs unless absolutely necessary " This guy....he'd be fun to smoke a cigar with 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gweilgi Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 4:54 AM, Philc2001 said: I know three co-workers who have done it. Neither one recommends it. Additionally, many doctors are turning sour on it. Apparently once you do TRT your body further scales back its own testosterone development. Effectively you become dependent on synthetic test for life. There are some supplements and dietary ways to boost test naturally, so TRT is really last resort. Not something I would do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Testify. Through a family connection, I know people who are on hormone replacement therapy for bona fide medical reasons. They consult with endocrinologists rather than urologists, and the first choice to ramp up the T levels is not actual testosterone but HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) which stimulates the body's own testosterone production. The moment you take actual T supplements, the testicles stop producing it naturally. (fair warningL I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnmlst Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 If you're not already lifting heavy weights (I mean heavy - sets of 3-5 reps, something like the Starting Strength program) and haven't cleaned up your diet, you should consider those things first as they will have a positive effect on your hormones without negative side effects. And if you're a runner or do other kinds of long distance cardio, think about cutting it out as those activities are bad for T levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnmlst Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 You're in Phoenix - you could go see Dr. Tom Incledon at Human Health Specialists. I met him at the CrossFit Games last year. You can search for him on the Power Athlete podcast and hear him drop some knowledge. And I forgot to mention sleep. Getting 8+ hours regularly can boost T as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 45 minutes ago, gweilgi said: Testify. Through a family connection, I know people who are on hormone replacement therapy for bona fide medical reasons. They consult with endocrinologists rather than urologists, and the first choice to ramp up the T levels is not actual testosterone but HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) which stimulates the body's own testosterone production. The moment you take actual T supplements, the testicles stop producing it naturally. (fair warningL I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV). HCG is the pregnancy hormone. Perhaps you meant HGH? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gweilgi Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, scap99 said: HCG is the pregnancy hormone. Perhaps you meant HGH? As I said, I am not a doctor ... but the information that I have is that in males, HcG stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, gweilgi said: As I said, I am not a doctor ... but the information that I have is that in males, HcG stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. That's wild. I'm finding posts in Google that say it is both the pregnancy hormone and a testosterone builder for men. Crazy ass bodies, it is truly miraculous we even function. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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