Cigar Underground Network Logo's

[Bartolomeo]

Looks great Prez!

[bummy]

Great job Boys!

[ptrthgr8]

Daddy like! Mad props to all those involved with the design. Very well done!

Cheers,

Greg

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[TexAg]

Awesome!! Can't wait to see what's in store.

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[Habanos2000]

Very sharp!

[Hypersomniac]

It looks great, I would also buy a shirt with that on it.

[investandprosper]

Love it guys! This would even make a great cigar band

[Paul3]

Too cool!

[David67]

Rob, Make some badges please!

[MatthewB]

Captures the spirit of the fight.

Very well done

[Guest rob]

Love your work, Rossco!

[laficion]

Very nice job on the logo .

[anacostiakat]

I like them!

But I must add that I was thinking of a closed fist with the index finger up as a smoking cigar. . .

[Pilgrims]

I like

[Puros Y Vino]

Great designs!

[jimb2u]

Nice work...very militant

[jpn]

Like it a lot. Good job!

[str8dog]

With my apologies to Colt, far be it for me, a new guy, to be the lone critic, especially when I have no experience in art or graphic arts ... but to me, the text would read easier and be more balanced if it read as CIGAR UNDERGROUND NETWORK in an arc above the fist, and TERRA AUSTRALIAS (etc.) in a reverse arc beneath the fist. To me, the imbalance is especially pronounced in the Terra UK and the Terra USA logos. (But maybe that imbalance is intentional to create tension)

I do love the fist though!

[Colt45]

Love your work, Rossco!

With my apologies to Colt.....

As much as I normally like to take credit for the work of others, in this case I helped just a tiny bit with the initial concept only. Kudos to the artist.

Str8dog, I understand what you mean, but in that case, you might have to have a smaller font for the top type, or keep the font size as is, and have it wrap around much farther.

You could read it as Cigar Underground,

Network Terra XX

[str8dog]

Apologies to Rossco too then.

I would think that there's numerous ways to tweak it. Enlarge the outer ring a bit and run the text past the foot and head of the cigar? Put the Terra xx above and CUN below? Or as per your suggestion, changing the font size of "Network" to match Terra xx and centreing would probably be the easiest.

No matter what the final outcome is, I'll buy the coffee mug for sure!

[PigFish]

I am not going to criticize the art, which is well done, but the concept. Sorry Ross.

I won't drone on again about my anti-communist stance but the fist symbol means more than a fight against the oppressor. It is the symbol of oppression across the world. The symbol represents both communism and socialism, which are in fact the most oppressive forms of government in the world.

It was not a quest for the protection of individual liberty that gets you tobacco oppression. It is the left... It is those that believe in larger government, more taxes, the nanny state and with it government guidance to your life; to protect you from yourself and these evil corporations, you know! Government guidance is oppression. This symbol is used primarily by the actual oppressors and not the oppressed. The people who use this priarily are not oppressed, but radical individuals that will use death, destruction and violence against anyone to steal what another has worked for.

For you pleasure I have included information from Wiki regarding the symbol.

While reading I ask you to look at the voting record of those that bring you larger taxes, and more government intervention. Do these people desire to leave you alone or to tax you and to micromanage your individual interests? Can you see any of these same people marching under a flag of a fist in the 50's, 60's or 70's? What did that flag mean to them? Certainly not freedom... but larger government intervention into what they perceived was unfair distribution of wealth.

If you know any history, this is largely a communist and socialist icon. It is a racist symbol of both black and white nationalists. It is not something to emulate... IMHO.

Sorry to rain on anyone's parade... Not that I will be taken seriously anyway!

The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a symbol of solidarity and support.^[1] It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance. The salute dates back to ancient Assyria as a symbol of resistance in the face of violence.^{[dead link][2]}

Contents

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• 1 History
  
• 2 Logo
  
• 3 Salute
  
• 4 Groups that have used the symbol
  
• 5 See also
  
• 6 References
  
• 7 External links
  

[edit]History

Industrial Exhibition in Berlin, Germany 1896

Assyrian depictions of the goddess Ishtar show her raising a clenched fist.^{[dead link][3]} A raised fist was used as a logo by the Industrial Workers of the World^[4] in 1917. The graphic symbol was popularized in 1948 by Taller de Gráfica Popular, a print shop in Mexico that used art to advance revolutionary social causes.^[5] The symbol has been picked up and incorporated around the world by various groups fighting oppression.

The image gallery shows how a raised fist is used in visual communication. Combined with another graphic element, a raised fist is used to convey polysemous gestures and opposing forces.^[6] Depending on the elements combined, the meaning of the gesture changes in tone and intention. For example, a hammer and sickle combined with a raised fist is part of communist symbolism, while the same fist combined with a Venus symbol represents Feminism, and combined with a book, it represents librarians.

A raised-fist icon appears prominently as a feminist symbol on the covers of two major books by Robin Morgan, Sisterhood is Powerful, published in 1970,^[7] and Sisterhood Is Forever, in 2003.^[8]

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  Solidarity cartoon 1917
  

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  October Revolution 1922
  

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  Civil liberties poster 1940
  

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  Librarians Against DRM
  

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  Piotr Uklanski, Untitled (Fist) 2008
  

[edit]Logo

Stencilled symbol of theautonomistmovementAutonome

The raised fist logo may represent unity or solidarity, generally with oppressed peoples. The black fist, also known as the Black Power fist is a logo generally associated with black nationalism and sometimes socialism. Its most widely-known usage is by the Black Panther Party in the 1960s. A black fist logo was also adopted by the northern soul musicsubculture. The white fist, also known as the Aryan fist or the White Power fist is a logo generally associated with white nationalism.

Socialist International

A white fist holding a red rose is used by the Socialist International and some socialist or social democratic parties. Loyalists in Northern Ireland occasionally use a clenched fist onmurals depicting the Red Hand of Ulster. However, this is considered rare; the red hand is usually depicted with a flat palm.

[edit]Salute

The raised fist salute consists of raising one arm in the air with a clenched fist. The meaning can vary based on context.

Different movements sometimes use different terms to describe the raised fist salute: amongst communists and socialists, it is sometimes called the red salute, whereas amongstblack rights activists, especially in the United States of America it has been called the Black Power salute. During the Spanish Civil War, it was sometimes known as the anti-fascist salute. The traditional version of the salute, originally a symbol of the broader workers' movement, became associated with the parties of the Comintern during the 1920s and 1930s. Since the Trotskyists were forced out of the Comintern, some Trotskyists have made a point of strictly raising the left fist in the tradition of the Left Opposition. Some anarchists also prefer the left fist to denote their libertarian socialist opposition to Marxism.

The clenched fist gesture is sometimes mistakenly thought to have originated in the Spanish Civil War, where the Popular Front salute was at one time the standard salute of Republican forces. A letter from the Spanish Civil War stated: "...the raised fist which greets you in Salud is not just a gesture—it means life and liberty being fought for and a greeting of solidarity with the democratic peoples of the world."^[9]

At the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, medal winners John Carlos and Tommie Smith gave the raised fist salute during the American national anthem as a sign of black power, and as a protest on behalf of the Olympic Project for Human Rights. For this, they were banned from further Olympic activities. The event was one of the most overtly political statements^[10] in the history of the modern Olympic Games. Tommie Smith stated in his autobiography, "Silent Gesture", that the salute was not a Black Power salute, but in fact a human rights salute.

A raised White fist is also a popular White Power symbol.^[11] The Rotfrontkämpferbund paramilitary organization of Communist Party of Germany used the salute before World War II.^[12]

[edit]Groups that have used the symbol

Hugo Chávez in Brazil in 2003.

Semih Erden at the 2010 FIBA World Championship

Antiwar movement

• African National Congress
  
• Albanian National Liberation Front
  
• April 6 Youth Movement
  
• American Indian Movement
  
• Anarchist Black Cross
  
• Black Panther Party
  
• Democratic Labour Party of Brazil
  
• Earth First!
  
• Women's Liberation
  
• Food Not Bombs
  
• Industrial Workers of the World
  
• International Brigades
  
• International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
  
• International Socialist Organization
  
• Internationalist Workers' Left (Greece)
  
• Italian Radical Party
  
• Jewish Defense League
  
• Kach
  
• National Equality March
  
• Occupy Wall Street
  
• Otpor
  
• Parti Sosialis Malaysia (Socialist Party of Malaysia)
  
• Socialist Party of Portugal
  
• Labour Party of the Netherlands
  
• People's National Party
  
• Revolutionary Socialist Workers' Party (Turkey)
  
• Red Front Fighters' League
  
• Saor Éire (1967-1975)
  
• Socialist International
  
• Socialist Party (England and Wales)
  
• Socialist Workers Party (Britain)
  
• Socialist Youth Front
  
• United Farm Workers
  
• Zimbabwe African National Union – Patriotic Front
  

[Colt45]

.....but the fist symbol means more than a fight against the oppressor.

Ray, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. When I look at the logo, I don't really see it as a raised fist, I see it much more as someone grasping / holding on tightly to the cigar - for dear life perhaps.

From my cold dead hands.

[PigFish]

I understand Ross!

Please read my post not as a ranting rage, but as educational. The fact that it is considered edgy, which it really is not, is what my post is about.

I am not criticizing you my friend, nor my friends that produced it or like the idea. I am simply stating some facts of the matter.

While the icon attempts to capture the "radical," it is these old 'radicals' that have put us in the very position we are in now. What was radical is now the establishment! The establishment left, largely runs the world now. The establishment left brought you higher taxes on tobacco, and they almost always do this with the Alinsky tactic of demonizing the companies that produce the products they wish to tax. The demonization is a smoke screen. It riles up the dim-witted so that they back the stealing of freedom and wealth from another in what is presumed as a democratic process. It is the "okay to control the next guy because it does not affect me," principle.

The work is done... I don't expect anyone to redo work on my behalf... I am a minority interest. But this does not mean that I should not share what I know.

There is perhaps some irony to the logo. But the people who know the meaning, already reject you. You and your cigar represent, wealth and freedom, wealth 'you' stole from the laborer that produced it for you! When one thinks they can hitch a ride on the lefts idols... I am afraid that they laugh at you because they see it as the user is too ignorant to understand the true meaning!!!

From my perspective this is also a radical racist symbol. It is used by radical racist groups! Both groups, while hating each other, ironically represent the same form of governmental oppression. They just want to oppress the other party and want larger government forces to back their side.

Frankly... there is no good in it! (As I see it.)

There are those that will wear a Che t-shirt because they think it is edgy. They might as well wear a depiction of a clan member! Ignorance is part of the problem. The majority think it is cool, it is lawless and radical. The old radicals, now establishment left are happy to indoctrinate, tax, and subjugate any foolish enough to follow along. Che was a part of the radical left. They want him to be cool, even if he was a racist murder!!! Cool is the tool of the left today. Why use force and bullets when you can use cool instead?

If this were to actually take off. One on the left will, mark my words, claim that you are a hidden group of racists and that is why are you are to be rejected! They will in fact use their own symbology against YOU! The left will always use whatever power it can to overcome opposition. You watch... If this project becomes successful, some reporter on the left will recognize the racist element of the symbolism and that is all that they will report, just to discredit the effort. Now when the same symbology shows up at 'occupy' events, well nothing is ever said. Conservatives like myself recognize the symbology comment about it and are laughed at. We are dismissed! You show the flag, THEIR FLAG, and your group will be burnt in it...

I am simply warning you in advance. I am saying, "Understand the enemy you fight!"

Cheers my friend. No offense meant. -Ray

[Colt45]

Cheers my friend. No offense meant. -Ray

Ray, it would be impossible for me to take offense

At the risk of opening a can of crap, and perhaps seeming to be critical of Rob and what he's done, and what he's trying to do, I agree with much of what you've said above. To try and be brief - from my perspective, something like United Network of Cigar Lovers, Network of United Cigar Lovers, etc - losing the underground aspect, losing the current acronym, bringing concerns to the fore and to light - might be taken more seriously, were it to come to that.

For what it's worth, I've briefly discusssed my thoughts with RA.

[PigFish]

Thanks mate!

I am being critical... Not for the sake of criticism, but in trying to make it succeed. Underestimating ones enemy = losing the battle! I am trying to educate. This is not a joke at all to me. While some think of it as kinda' cool and radical, I see it as survival for my friends business and for smokers as a class of free people.

Laugh at me if you (rhetorically) wish. This is a fight for individual liberty and free commerce. If you are going to do battle, you might as well at least not be fodder for a leftist media that has a vested interest in supporting those that are fighting against you, certainly not with you.

Decades have now been spent making smoking un-cool. What promoted smoking in the past is now being used against you.

I say promote smoking (cigars) as organic!!! Smoking is akin to fine dining and fine drinking. If dining and drinking is cool, then smoking should be cool too!

Smokers and those in the smoking trade are in a fight for their lives. If you think that this stops at taxation, the left crazies won't stop until it is so onerous to smoke that it is all but illegal.

I am not going to write a book on this here. I am just saying that when you as a group become a threat to the taxation of the left, don't be surprised when someone comes out and says that you use racist imagery in you logo and takes you to town for it...

Controlling speech is a tactic of the left. Don't want to talk about the facts of a subject... call them a racist! Shut them up, and shut them down. Don't give them the tools to make their fight easier. That is all that I am saying. All the posting I can afford today.

Best, Ray