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I can't find fault with hunting for food, that is essentially the food chain. The exception being something rare unless you are actually starving. That's nature, I don't think anyone really has any issues with that unless you don't eat meat at all and then fair dos.

The sport side of things doesn't make sense to me though. An overweight guy covered in camo waddling through a forest with a gun is hardly Man Vs Beast. That's no different than challenging Ussain Bolt to a race then turning up in a car, running him over, racing to the finishing line then claiming to be a real man's man then cutting off his head and sticking it on your wall to show how successful at athletics you are. If it is actually going to be a sport then go naked with a knife or bare handed like Fuzz suggested, hell make a TV show out of it! biggrin.png Even still the 'sport' angle isn't anything to do with sport, it's simply killing something for the pleasure of killing something which isn't an issue about animals or hunting it's a moral/ethical question RE someone's character and their beliefs.

The over population argument is complete tosh, nature balances out populations perfectly well by itself if you leave it alone (Something we never do.), nature is always in balance, what people actually mean with the over population argument is that nature is causing their nice farm/garden/golf course problems which of course is a completely different issue disguised with an unrelated subject.

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If you let nature take care of overpopulation over time, then in the mean time you have actual human beings with actual families who have lost crops, livestock, income and property.

You stated to seek solutions from Bio and Wildlife organizations. Who do you think controls hunting seasons, bag limits, nuisance regulations, and management strategies??? When Texas Parks and Wildlife says you can shoot as many deer as you want to in a certain country or region, it means the research has been conducted and mangaged harvesting has been deemed the best solution.

When I was in high school ,we could earn a very decent income getting paid by farmers, ranchers and sometimes the State to hunt as many coyotes and hogs as we could year round. Then we could make a secondary decent price per pound selling to the local processing plant. That made myself income, and it preserved the farmers and ranchers income from mitigating the loss of crops, agricultural property, livestock and even pets.

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Love the John Deere accessories! My Brother is a John Deere sales rep in Sandpoint, and has all of the accessories!

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Love the John Deere accessories! My Brother is a John Deere sales rep in Sandpoint, and has all of the accessories!

Love the Macallan on the Dinner table to go along with the Salad and Shrimp Scampi! hungry.gif

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Have a great night Gents!

BTW congrats Peacock on your sons first Buck. I am sure that you are a proud Papa!

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Hunters will always claim what they do is humane and justified, their opponents will claim that it is cruel and unnecessary. Neither side will convince the other to change their ways.

I have hunted in the past (feral animals in the top end and regional NSW). Do I condone hunting? Yes, to a certain extent (waiting for the bill to pass that will allow us to hunt politicians). Can I see the other side's point of view? Yes, I do, and I respect their views. Will it change my point of view? Probably not.

Does any of this matter? Absolutely not. So let's go back to our regularly scheduled cigar porn.

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Hunters will always claim what they do is humane and justified, their opponents will claim that it is cruel and unnecessary. Neither side will convince the other to change their ways.

I have hunted in the past (feral animals in the top end and regional NSW). Do I condone hunting? Yes, to a certain extent (waiting for the bill to pass that will allow us to hunt politicians). Can I see the other side's point of view? Yes, I do, and I respect their views. Will it change my point of view? Probably not.

Does any of this matter? Absolutely not. So let's go back to our regularly scheduled cigar porn.

Right on!

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Hunters will always claim what they do is humane and justified, their opponents will claim that it is cruel and unnecessary. Neither side will convince the other to change their ways.

I have hunted in the past (feral animals in the top end and regional NSW). Do I condone hunting? Yes, to a certain extent (waiting for the bill to pass that will allow us to hunt politicians). Can I see the other side's point of view? Yes, I do, and I respect their views. Will it change my point of view? Probably not.

Does any of this matter? Absolutely not. So let's go back to our regularly scheduled cigar porn.

Agreed.....I feel like I'm driving past a car accident and i don't want to look but i do....blowhards on both sides on the fence here.

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I went out this morning at 6am. Saw a bunch of deer running around (nothing I was going to shoot). Came back in and passed out. Just woke up to one of our camp members playing the accordion right by my head.

At least there is fresh bacon cooking and hot coffee.

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Great pictures! Even if the subject matter has caused the "Great Debate" it's good to see men getting together and enjoying nature and great cigars! The emasculation of the modern male has threatened these long cultural traditions in many places. I blame the Nintendo game "Duck Hunt" for all of this! It proved to women we didn't actually need to shoot anything to have fun with guns!

Also, I am not against hunting. I have not hunted since I was 14 years old. On my first hunt I shot an Antelope in the face from 300 yards away. The poor bugger ran to the top of the hill and when I sighted it in again I saw the jaw hanging limp. My second shot sent it over the crest of the hill. My guide and I ran to the downed animal and my second shot was perfect. However, the animal breathed for 3 more minutes before dying. It's eyes racing around looking from side to side. At that age it traumatized me so much I put my gun down for good. I still enjoy target practice, but feel no need to hunt. However, I would never ever thinking of placing my guilt on another group of people and using my one off experience to justify taking away something they enjoy and has been a staple of human existence since creation. My dad is on an elk hunt right now. 5 days in and no luck.

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