A Rumor that needs to be put to rest?

[cigarbreak]

It's not a popular opinion and people are going to disagree with you. As an owner of quite a lot of NC cigars I can say that I rarely have construction problems and draw problems versus CCs. I'd guesstimate it's a 1:7 ratio or higher.

Just wanted to agree with this, and how from the NC's i've smoked compared the CC's, the NC's seem to have in general better constrution and less draw problems. Again this is just from my sample that i have smoked so far.

[Smallclub]

the NC's seem to have in general better constrution and less draw problems.

I have to disagree: I often have problems with NCs, as they burn much too fast and too hot compared to habanos of the same size. It's like if they don't need a smoker to be consumed!

[kb20four]

I've wondered for a long time what a Cuban/Nicaraguan would taste like. Don Pepin Garcia once stated that a perfect 100 cigar would have a Cuban wrapper, Nicaraguan binder, one Nicaraguan ligero leaf and rest Cuban viso and seco.

I'd like to try that one!

This just proves that it's all bs. Cuba doesn't even give it's tobacco to other countries without it being already rolled into a cuban puro. They refuse to let other cigar makers like Don Pepin Garcia to mix their tobacco with cuban tobacco. Why would they buy leaves from other countries when they refuse to share theirs and make even more profit.

[cigcars]

It's funny to flip through a non CC catalog and see how many NC's keep the rumors flowing just on their labeling. Actually had a tobacconist tell me he heard the Cusano had Cuban tobacco in it. At $2.25 a stick I highly doubt it and if it really was it's probably the rejected tobacco the street people offer tourists.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, yeah, RIGHT!!! Sure - s-u-u-u-r-r-r-e!

[cigcars]

It's the same reason people buy ten dollar boxes of fakes in Mexico. The American consumer on the whole is ignorant of everything but the name and the location of where the better cigars come from. If you say Cuban, even whispered, it makes people buy them. You could roll up newspaper and banana peels and slap a Cohiba logo on the box and some rube would buy them.

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I've read in counterfeit news articles on the subject that people buying those fakes on the streets in downtown Havana, itself, have taken those "Cohibas" home and found them to contain everything from newspaper, human hair and animal hair, feces and dirt, you name it

[cigcars]

This just proves that it's all bs. Cuba doesn't even give it's tobacco to other countries without it being already rolled into a cuban puro. They refuse to let other cigar makers like Don Pepin Garcia to mix their tobacco with cuban tobacco. Why would they buy leaves from other countries when they refuse to share theirs and make even more profit.

*He's probably talking about at a future date when the Embargo is finally lifted. EVERYBODY is anticipating the multi-country combination of Cuban tobacco mixed in with their Nicaraguan, Ecuadorian, Mexican, Honduran, etc. tobaccos

[cigarbreak]

I have to disagree: I often have problems with NCs, as they burn much too fast and too hot compared to habanos of the same size. It's like if they don't need a smoker to be consumed!

I guess it comes down to personal taste then, because I tend to like draws that err on the side of looser than tighter. There is always an idea of the perfect draw, but imho if I had to choose between a little tighter or a little looser, id go with a tad looser. Don't get me wrong, and I know I've yet to learn alot from smoking more, but I would still smoke a habanos over any NC anyday; but from the sample of NC' and CC's ive smoked so far the NC's just seem more consistently rolled. Sorry if I went off topic here.

[CaptainQuintero]

*He's probably talking about at a future date when the Embargo is finally lifted. EVERYBODY is anticipating the multi-country combination of Cuban tobacco mixed in with their Nicaraguan, Ecuadorian, Mexican, Honduran, etc. tobaccos

The embargo isn't linked to the Cuban government owning everything in the tobacco industry on the island though. The embargo could lift tomorrow and nothing beyond the legal exportation of Cuban puros to the US would change.

Also conversely the embargo could not lift for another 100 years but HSA could start selling cuban tobacco bales to Nicaragua or the Dom rep/ Ecuador for use in multi nation cigars or import foreign tobacco to blend their own. There is nothing stopping this from happening tomorrow apart from HSA/cuban gvmt saying yes/no

Embargo or no the cuban government owns all the farms, tobacco, seeds, factories etc etc etc the embargo ending doesn't mean a change if government in Cuba.

I'd like to see free enterprise in Cuba fir their tobacco though ie similar to what Dunhill and Davidoff did although I'm guessing that experience out off HSA and future parties trying again soon. Maybe BIT will try at some point but how free that enterprise would be, who knows. Expensive cigars though I bet!

[AlohaStyle]

Also conversely the embargo could not lift for another 100 years but HSA could start selling cuban tobacco bales to Nicaragua or the Dom rep/ Ecuador for use in multi nation cigars or import foreign tobacco to blend their own. There is nothing stopping this from happening tomorrow apart from HSA/cuban gvmt saying yes/no

Correct. But any company that does business in the US cannot do business with Cuba. That basically takes out any current NC cigar company. A new company would have to start to make CC/NC blended cigars and not sell them in the US.

[Colt45]

Embargo or no the cuban government owns all the farms, tobacco, seeds, factories etc etc etc the embargo ending doesn't mean a change if government in Cuba.

My understanding is that the farmers own their farms, but have only one customer for their tobacco. I agree that the embargo ending does not mean that Cuban tobacco will become available to anyone who'd like to have it.

[CaptainQuintero]

Correct. But any company that does business in the US cannot do business with Cuba. That basically takes out any current NC cigar company. A new company would have to start to make CC/NC blended cigars and not sell them in the US.

It's probably a fair assumption to make also that the vast majority of interest for an NC/CC blended cigar would be the US. In terms of brand image it would mostly be seen as watering down 'the cuban cigar' so Im guessing it won't ever happen with HSA/cuban government blessing.

I'm sure it has happened on a very small scale with curious people and NC manufactures unrolling finished Cubans and trying to blend them with their own NC tobacco but obviously more of an experiment rather than anything commercial.

[Smallclub]

* EVERYBODY is anticipating the multi-country combination of Cuban tobacco mixed in with their Nicaraguan, Ecuadorian, Mexican, Honduran, etc. tobaccos

Where did you get that idea? In my world, seasoned smokers prefer puros, very few people are interested in cigars made of a mishmash of tobaccos. There is a reason for puros are more valued: the taste of a terroir.

[stillinger]

While I'm no expert, I do think there is some potential interest and advantage in blending different tobaccos. While puros might be what most around here desire, if a cigar tastes good to me, it's not a ridiculous price, I want to smoke it, no matter where or what it's made of. I happen to have been bit by the CC bug, and I like it more, but I'm not completely above trying something new. I do think some of the Cuban tobaccos blended with other stuff might provide a profile that would at least warrant some interest.

But that's not a soon thing, as long as Florida is a swing state that matters and there's a large chunk of potential voters who have a strong interest in keeping the embargo going.

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[Phillys]

There is a reason for puros are more valued: the taste of a terroir.

I like this!

As with every other consumable product with distinctive characteristics like spirits or food. For m,e differentiation is the spice of life.

[laficion]

While I'm no expert, I do think there is some potential interest and advantage in blending different tobaccos. While puros might be what most around here desire, if a cigar tastes good to me, it's not a ridiculous price, I want to smoke it, no matter where or what it's made of. I happen to have been bit by the CC bug, and I like it more, but I'm not completely above trying something new. I do think some of the Cuban tobaccos blended with other stuff might provide a profile that would at least warrant some interest.

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And the ,"Clear Havana" Is reborn again for those.