mk05 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Can we migrate the two threads into one? There are many threads on plume and mold, including Wilkey's (iirc) dissertation circa a decade ago. Unlike a preference for a cigar, which is based on an individual's palate, I'm afraid that plume vs mold discussion is one of scientific nature, thus either being either fact or fiction. So please, let's just cut to the chase. And if it is fact that plume does exist, and it is a different biological compound, then we can ask ourselves, why do some have it, and most do not? What are the conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDD Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 There is a rich guy in NYC, Bloomberg, he has a mountain of the stuff! His name says so! He knows everything else apparently, we should ask him!!! -LOL -the Pig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 …oh and by the way. For the sheer enjoyment of participating in the thread, there seems to be a common connection with cigars that come from bare wood, or cab style boxes and the appearance of plume. Just food for thought! -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehikeLover2 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 IN b4 mold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndalton44 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Definitely a dusting of something on there. Not mold, but I won't say it's plume either. These are shinier IRL but my phone camera just doesn't have the pixels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 IN b4 mold I confess I cannot identify what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maplepie Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 IN b4 mold] That's some brilliant plume! I'll give you 500 quid for the stick alone!!! Sent by the Enigma on BlackBerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 The cigar is ready for the deep fryer... Assuming that this is flour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Festa Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I confess I cannot identify what this is. I would suggest this is mould Close up screen grab My reasoning is, plume cannot have a structure that is greater than one individual crystal above/past/lying on the wrapper, as the oil that is excreted would re-dissolve any existing crystal. Hope that makes sense. Please note, I have only seen plume a few times. From my mobile phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 This is no longer embarassing, it's laughable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthson Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 So here's my question for all you veteran smokers: In my 8+ years of cigar smoking, I have seen little crystalline dustings appear out of nowhere a handful of times on smokes I am aging. It has occurred on smokes that lie motionless for several years in nice humidor conditions and I always assumed it was plume. Now, mold is REALLY easy to identify when it gets puffy, fluffy, or begins spreading across a surface. But for mold to grow and take hold in an environment with an RH in the low to mid 60s is somewhat remarkable as most common household molds need upwards of 90+ RH for mycelial running or fruitbody production (both which can increase the appearance of fuzziness). How is everyone so sure that they rarely (if ever) see plume? How can we assume that a light-colored dusting on a cigar is mold and not a byproduct of the (ongoing) curing process? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondog Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Cohiba DC 2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbbones Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 So here's my question for all you veteran smokers: In my 8+ years of cigar smoking, I have seen little crystalline dustings appear out of nowhere a handful of times on smokes I am aging. It has occurred on smokes that lie motionless for several years in nice humidor conditions and I always assumed it was plume. Now, mold is REALLY easy to identify when it gets puffy, fluffy, or begins spreading across a surface. But for mold to grow and take hold in an environment with an RH in the low to mid 60s is somewhat remarkable as most common household molds need upwards of 90+ RH for mycelial running or fruitbody production (both which can increase the appearance of fuzziness). How is everyone so sure that they rarely (if ever) see plume? How can we assume that a light-colored dusting on a cigar is mold and not a byproduct of the (ongoing) curing process? I agree with you. I am no expert, but I have seen these light crystaline dustings on aged cigars. That seems like plume, and would be hard to photograph unless quite advance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondog Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Id recommend anyone with a good camera that has interest in this subject get some boxes out whether you see it or not...get them in some good light and snap up some pics from different angles, you may be surprised what the camera sees that you don't. Lenses are much better than the eye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbone Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Is plume a made up word, used as a noun in this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Is plume a made up word, used as a noun in this way? I guess it's a distortion/derivation of the word "bloom". Davidoff talked about cigars "blossoming". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 This is no longer embarassing, it's laughable! There's just no pleasing some people. You sir, are quite the negative nelly lately. We know how you feel about discussions like these and your comments are not in the least constructive, friendly, or illuminating. I guess it's a distortion/derivation of the word "bloom". Davidoff talked about cigars "blossoming". "Plume" has no semantic relation to the word "bloom." There is no conceptual connection between the two so it is neither a distortion nor derivation. More likely, someone misheard "bloom" and grabbed onto the most phonetically similar common word. Wilkey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Can we migrate the two threads into one? I will create a new stickied thread and everyone will be invited to post relevant threads, links, or resources and I will maintain in the opening post. …oh and by the way. For the sheer enjoyment of participating in the thread, there seems to be a common connection with cigars that come from bare wood, or cab style boxes and the appearance of plume. Just food for thought! -Piggy Interesting observation. This is not anything that's occurred to me before. Well done, Piggy. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 The thread can be found: here. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Festa Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 There's just no pleasing some people. You sir, are quite the negative nelly lately. We know how you feel about discussions like these and your comments are not in the least constructive, friendly, or illuminating. "Plume" has no semantic relation to the word "bloom." There is no conceptual connection between the two so it is neither a distortion nor derivation. More likely, someone misheard "bloom" and grabbed onto the most phonetically similar common word. Wilkey I like the concept, but think it would be too larger coincidence to say someone misheard a word. I am more inclined to think that...Bloom stems from flowers and organic growth. Which ties in with mould etc And ... Plume stems from the association with smoke and fluids. From my mobile phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 More likely, someone misheard "bloom" and grabbed onto the most phonetically similar common word. That's a distortion isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLuis Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 At a cigar store near Rama, Ontario, A box of QDO coronas was all moldy. "Note the lovely plume", said the store's owner. So I guess I have seen it. This happened to me at the La Casa in Aruba. Hilarious. The Monte she showed me was covered in mold. Looked terrible. It didn't help they were running it WAY too humid in the walk-in. "Some of our regulars ask that we wipe it off. To each his own!" lol Only some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Okay… so I understand it. Can we have a ruling on if we are going to call it bloom, or plume??? I mean I hate to talk about something that I know nothing about, regarding something that no one knows exists and cannot be quantified, all in uncertain terms!!! The language barrier is killing me over here! We need to come together on this… -LOL I am okay calling it 'saw dust' but then someone will likely tell me that I am about as fun as their father (is/was) again!!! That hurts! -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I will create a new stickied thread and everyone will be invited to post relevant threads, links, or resources and I will maintain in the opening post. Interesting observation. This is not anything that's occurred to me before. Well done, Piggy. Wilkey Thanks mate… It is a good friend that still reads my posts, after knowing my disconnect with reality! -R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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