Puros Y Vino Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 So. These just came up for auction. Screen shot of the item. Anyone know what this is about? Legit? Fake? Something other than Cuban tobacco using the same name? The bands look shoddy. Which makes me think they might be counterfeit. These are apparently circa 1940's. We all know the story and origins of the marca. So, what exactly are these? Anyone ever see these before? Any info? Anyone? If this are indeed legit, what's the story behind them? Closeup of bands. They all vary. Not two of the three shown are perfectly alike (the ones on the end are cut off). There seems to be a handmade aspect to these bands. The whole logo looks superimposed upon some other band. Would like to see the sides of the bands. The ink weight is different on all three. A white triangle missing from the centre band. Looks like an artifact from some kind of masking TBH. "Cohiba" has different weight to it. NOTE: Keep this discussion to the cigars shown. No disparaging the site where these are being sold or whom may be involved. Many of you know what I'm getting at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Never seen that band but that doesn't mean jack. I am intrigued to know the final answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I have never read, heard or seen anything indicating the existence of any pre-revolution cigar bearing the Cohiba moniker. I would be very leery about these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Maybe Nino would know or he could ask. Just looked in the book and saw nothing. My Spidey sense is tingling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Considering the seller and the known history of Cohibas, my guess is these have nothing to do with today's Cohiba marca. I do believe they are pre-embargo cigars, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soutso Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I could be wrong as I'm no expert on brand history but I think the Cohiba brand was formed after Castro came to power. He liked the aromatic smell of the cigars one of his staff (security I think) and upon questioning him about it, he revealed that it was a friend's personal blend. They tracked down the roller and hence the Cohiba brand was born....... I think! lol By the way, if i'm in any way accurate, the pictures pre embargo cigars are not the Cohiba brand Cigars we know today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I think the bands are cool. Not 600 pounds cool but cool none the less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 By the way, if i'm in any way accurate, the pictures pre embargo cigars are not the Cohiba brand Cigars we know today No kidding... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcr Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Paging @gothamcigarmuseum If anyone knows, it would be Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackupster Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Calling BS on this! Cuban Cohiba's origins trace back to the middle 1960s, when a bodyguard of Fidel Castro shared some of his private supply of cigars made by a local artisan named Eduardo Ribera.[3] These cigars pleased Castro so much that a special production of the unbranded blend, produced under tight security, was made for Castro and other top government officials.[3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion21 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Are they in MRN's book? If not, then they never existed . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Not that I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Are they in MRN's book? If not, then they never existed . . . MNR's book is about post-revolution cigars... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion21 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 MNR's book is about post-revolution cigars... I thought it was both? I guess I am wrong and will deffer to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Calling BS on this! How would you know? Do you have an idea of the number of special productions, special commissions, one-shot productions, made by hundreds of independant brands, etc. during the first half of the 20th century? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westg Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 How would you know? Do you have an idea of the number of special productions, special commissions, one-shot productions, made by hundreds of independant brands, etc. during the first half of the 20th century? So what's your call Frank ..tell us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ryan Posted February 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2016 The bands are real and they are pre-revolution. Of course I can't speak for the cigars in the picture. I spoke with Punch Joe about these last February, I came across a few bands for sale on ebay in Spain. Jose told me that Habanos have done everything in their power to cover up the existence of this pre-revolution brand. Owned by an E. Chateloin, the factory was based in Sagua La Grande, a town to the east of Havana. That's all I know. There were five singles up at an auction last year. More. The pre-Revolution Cohiba and 1966 Cohiba (Celia Sanchez chose the name in 1966) have nothing in common other than the name. I have a list somewhere of over 4,000 Cuban cigar company names, right up until present day. Both Cohibas are mentioned. The word "Cohiba" comes from the Taino Indian language and it's just coincidence that it was used twice for a cigar brand. Just as there has been more than one company called "Apple", there has been more than one "Cohiba". Edited to remove anything unnecessary. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I am sure the auctioner garantees 100% the authenticity. If anyone is intending to have them just wish MRN does not have them yet eheh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPS Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 What an amazing auction as usual. Oy if i were a rich man, a biddy biddy biddy biddy bum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackupster Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 How would you know? Do you have an idea of the number of special productions, special commissions, one-shot productions, made by hundreds of independant brands, etc. during the first half of the 20th centuBuy Then go ahead and buy them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olga Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Are they in MRN's book? If not, then they never existed . . . I thought it was both? I guess I am wrong and will deffer to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDisco Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 ha ha . . . all those hobbyists who save their cigar bands in a big-ass jar are unknowingly creating a future gold mine! I better go dig last night's outta da ash tray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigcars Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It would seem Trevor should be consulted on this one, no? And too - maybe if Min Ron Nee could be available for a personal contact, himself, if indeed this cigar band in not in his book, but he may have knowledge of it...? But you know, even to my untrained layperson's observation - they don't have "Habana" on the bottom of the bands which it would seem they should, if they're actual Cubans. Maybe this name and brand occurred somewhere else outside of Cuba, possibly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stogieluver Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 ha ha . . . all those hobbyists who save their cigar bands in a big-ass jar are unknowingly creating a future gold mine! I better go dig last night's outta da ash tray! Lights, Bells, and Whistles going off in my head right now. I have hundreds of unbroken CC bands. My retirement fund may have just been born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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