Puros Y Vino Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I saw a review over on Halfwheel on the Sancho Panzo Ducales. It sounded new, so I read the entire review. But, it turns out they are not new and were released in the 1980's. The background is that during the 80's, Cubatabaco gave a special license to Tabacalera Spain (now Altadis) to produce three vitolas under this marca for the city of Tenerife Spain. I highly doubt these are still being made. The review is of a vintage one from the 80's. The vitolas are: Ducales (42 * 5 1/3) Escuderos (unknown) Hidalgos (unknown) I see no reference on Habanos.com (no surprise), none on CCW and nothing in MRN's book either. Any of our more experienced members know anything about these cigars? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Saw that review also. I take their reviews with a grain of sand since they are supported by nc vendors. Their reviews always have cubans low to mid 80's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Saw those and three new Montrecristos with this band on a friend’s post on instagram. Seems the relaunch of a vintage model with a who-knows-what in it is the latest. Your understanding of the facts such as history and leaves is certainly deeper than mine Frank. I am just a very interested collector as usual. The common thread to it all seems to be following the retail model of the Behike: box of 10; 52/54/56; Fancy schmancy; sexy. What is it? Not as important. CB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 7 hours ago, bundwallah said: three vitolas under this marca for the city of Tenerife Spain Island of Tenerife.... I think it may be pretty much as you say it. Haven't come across anything with ref to those either, but around that time Tabacalera held the sole name-rights for some marcas (such as Montecristo for instance; there had been some lawsuits between Cuba and Spain), and so it is absolutely possible that there have been particular vitolas done exclusively for the Spanish market, just as Sancho Panza as a whole had for pretty long been almost exclusively been available in Spain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzopyrene Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 There are pictures of these boxes out there. The boxes have a stamp on the side that say they are authorized by Cubatabaco. Under the name "Elaborades en Espana bajo licencia de Cubatabano Tabacalera S.A." Ill review one when I smoke it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikB Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Saw that review also. I take their reviews with a grain of sand since they are supported by nc vendors. Their reviews always have cubans low to mid 80's.Grain of Salt ? To their credit , the guys from Halfwheel regularly acknowledge the fact that Cuban cigarmakers can make the best cigars out thereVerzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Sorry, never I have never seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Benzopyrene said: There are pictures of these boxes out there. The boxes have a stamp on the side that say they are authorized by Cubatabaco. Under the name "Elaborades en Espana bajo licencia de Cubatabano Tabacalera S.A." Ill review one when I smoke it. Interesting - so they had actually been produced in Spain not in Cuba (perhaps similar to CITA or ICT production of small cigars). Wonder how much Cuban leaf they might contain.... Once you review one, could you add some pics of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, Fugu said: Interesting - so they had actually been produced in Spain not in Cuba (perhaps similar to CITA or ICT production of small cigars). Wonder how much Cuban leaf they might contain.... Once you review one, could you add some pics of the box? Cuban Puro. All layers of leaf are Cuban. Wrapper, binder and filler. Possibly rolled in Spain? I don't know. Don't have any of these myself. From the sounds of it, they have probably been out of production for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, bundwallah said: Possibly rolled in Spain? I don't know. Yes, the labeling meaning "Made in Spain under licence of..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzopyrene Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I do not have the box, but I have pics, will ask the owner of the pics if its okay to post them and get back to you. They were rolled in Spain, cuban tobacco, with a license. Thats what makes it pretty cool IMO. They is hardly any info out there on these, halfwheel info came from a guy at Altadis is my understanding, I would love to hear if HSA has this burried in the books somewhere findable. I dont have that kind of pull down there. :-) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk05 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Benzopyrene said: I do not have the box, but I have pics, will ask the owner of the pics if its okay to post them and get back to you. They were rolled in Spain, cuban tobacco, with a license. Thats what makes it pretty cool IMO. They is hardly any info out there on these, halfwheel info came from a guy at Altadis is my understanding, I would love to hear if HSA has this burried in the books somewhere findable. I dont have that kind of pull down there. :-) I would love to hear more!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 16 hours ago, Benzopyrene said: I do not have the box, but I have pics, will ask the owner of the pics if its okay to post them and get back to you. They were rolled in Spain, cuban tobacco, with a license. Thats what makes it pretty cool IMO. They is hardly any info out there on these, halfwheel info came from a guy at Altadis is my understanding, I would love to hear if HSA has this burried in the books somewhere findable. I dont have that kind of pull down there. :-) Sure. That would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickHendeson Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Yet another 20-boxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Yet another 20-boxerBetter get used to it... it's the new normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, RickHendeson said: Yet another 20-boxer Good! Less cigars per box for flippers to flip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99call Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Boxes of Hilgados and Ducales 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 99call said: Boxes of Hilgados and Ducales Thanks for posting this! Very clean, slick package. Reminds me of the NC Davidoff white boxes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzopyrene Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 @99call are these your boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99call Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Benzopyrene said: @99call are these your boxes? No, just on the web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 ... but where's the link to Cuba, other than the licensed use of the brand name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99call Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fugu said: ... but where's the link to Cuba, other than the licensed use of the brand name? "Sancho Panza cigar is recognised among the best and most traditional work of Cuba. The new vitolas ducales hidalgos and Escudos are the result of the collaboration between experts of Cubatabaco and Tabaclara and who have designed the vitolas and selected the leaf of this exceptional cigar" Can be taken a number of different ways, depending on how you want to read it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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99call Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 "These cigars have been prepared with leaves of tobacco with the most accredited fields of cuba" I think this what this says, maybe someone has better Spanish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 This is quite interesting, but my position would be that these are not an official Cubatabaco release and are therefore not Habanos. It would be more in line with a custom roll commissioned by Tabacalera, sanctioned by Cubatabaco with special permission to use the SP marca. A bit complicated, but that's as accurately as I can classify them. Similar to the many jars that are sold by LCDHs around the world that are not official HSA releases (Siglo VI, Edmundos) outside of the limited W. Europe 2010 releases. These original 2010 jars have been duplicated by the distributors and LCDHs. Cohiba, Behike and Partagas jars are also readily available at LCDHs in Cuba despite these not being official HSA-released jars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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