El Presidente Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 How long before the "Tobacco Dogs" are turned on smokers themselves ...its all about protecting hard working retailers people......... http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/15990927.Illegal_tobacco_roadshow_set_to_roll_in_to_Basingstoke/ Illegal tobacco roadshow set to roll in to Basingstoke 14th February Dan WhitewayHead of news BASINGSTOKE residents will be asked for their help in identifying sellers of illegal tobacco on Friday. A series of Hampshire County Council roadshows aim to raise awareness of the dangers of illegal tobacco and show how residents can help tackle the problem of sales of the products. A roadshow will take place outside the Willis Museum on Friday from 9am to 3.30pm. Councillor Patricia Stallard, the county council’s executive member for public health, said: “The sale of illegal tobacco is a serious criminal offence. Far from being a victimless crime, illegal tobacco helps fund organised crime and can make it even more difficult for those trying to give up smoking. "These criminal activities severely damage the local economy and legitimate traders by gaining a competitive advantage at their expense, and taking trade away from genuine hard-working businesses. "As it becomes harder for under 18s to buy from legitimate sources, illegal tobacco trading creates a cheap source that fuels smoking by young people - giving them habits that put their health at risk, into adulthood.” Three specialist detection dogs, Phoebe, YoYo and Scamp, and their handlers from B.W.Y Canine will be at the roadshow, demonstrating their skills in sniffing out hidden tobacco. Illegal tobacco products are either cigarettes or hand rolling tobacco, shisha or bidis, which have been smuggled, bootlegged or are counterfeit. It is estimated that illegal tobacco makes up around 10% of the tobacco market in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigaraholic Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Does this mean the UK is going to the dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorossi Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, El Presidente said: Far from being a victimless crime, illegal tobacco helps fund organised crime and can make it even more difficult for those trying to give up smoking. I'd love to "see the math" on how one person's purchase of illicit tobacco increases another's difficulty in quitting smoking. Pretzel logic, anyone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulP Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doctorossi said: I'd love to "see the math" on how one person's purchase of illicit tobacco increases another's difficulty in quitting smoking. Pretzel logic, anyone? Greater supply at a cheaper price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayepatz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Who speaks for the poor dogs, who are enslaved and forced to breathe in carcinogens? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorossi Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, PaulP said: Greater supply at a cheaper price. Sounds pretty spurious to me, being that I've never met anyone who quit smoking because they literally could not afford to continue. Try as governments might to price people out of cigarettes, an addict is going to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corylax18 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I wonder what makes Illegal Tobacco smell different than Legal Tobacco? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, El Presidente said: "...Illegal tobacco products are either cigarettes or hand rolling tobacco, shisha or bidis, which have been smuggled, bootlegged or are counterfeit." So, for us in Canada (and I'm presuming many other markets in the world, including in the U.K.), that means that smuggled / bootlegged / counterfeit cigarettes come from factories or vendors who then sell "on the sly", under the table, and/or through a duty-free avenue, to bring down the costs of the items by saving the purchaser the taxes. Not just "fake" smokes. But smokes from the actual factories, properly made and packaged, and just simply smuggled duty-free smokes. Which, from what I understand, is something in the nature of 60-80% of the market. So....how the $%@$@# can a dog smell a carton of cigs and tell me or anyone else if it's been taxed properly and sold duty-paid, or if it's bootlegged duty-free?!!?!?! Absolutely friggin' ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Corylax18 said: I wonder what makes Illegal Tobacco smell different than Legal Tobacco? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnflames Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I believe it's just a scare tactic and a way to get more intoyou belonging to look at your stuff without needing a warrant or anything. All tobacco will smell the same or to close for the dog to know its illegal.. Lol. Also I just bought a bunch of stuff which criminal organization does my money go too? Can I choose?... Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Corylax18 said: I wonder what makes Illegal Tobacco smell different than Legal Tobacco? The absence of the foul stench of Government duties... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcman68 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, CanuckSARTech said: So, for us in Canada (and I'm presuming many other markets in the world, including in the U.K.), that means that smuggled / bootlegged / counterfeit cigarettes come from factories or vendors who then sell "on the sly", under the table, and/or through a duty-free avenue, to bring down the costs of the items by saving the purchaser the taxes. Not just "fake" smokes. But smokes from the actual factories, properly made and packaged, and just simply smuggled duty-free smokes. Which, from what I understand, is something in the nature of 60-80% of the market. So....how the $%@$@# can a dog smell a carton of cigs and tell me or anyone else if it's been taxed properly and sold duty-paid, or if it's bootlegged duty-free?!!?!?! Absolutely friggin' ridiculous. In NY smuggling cigarettes from down south it is a big tax collection problem so it is my understanding that they look for cartons with specific tax labels on them that only come from certain channels (no idea on the process though). I don't smoke cigarettes but that is my high level understanding. Maybe they have a similar thing in the UK and once the dog finds it they check the carton or box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Presidente Posted February 16, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, gcman68 said: In NY smuggling cigarettes from down south it is a big tax collection problem so it is my understanding that they look for cartons with specific tax labels on them that only come from certain channels (no idea on the process though). I don't smoke cigarettes but that is my high level understanding. Maybe they have a similar thing in the UK and once the dog finds it they check the carton or box? it is also possible the dogs have been bred to read 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuma Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 more overreaching by big brother I mean big dog, the man or dog and pockets are being lined with euro, dollars or maybe bitcoin anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habana Mike Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Makes it sound like tobacco is illegal in the UK, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDisco Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Dogs do love tobacco. Don't know why that is, but if you're just back from the cigar lounge they will lick you all over if you let them . . . o.k. . . . perhaps that came out wrong . . . suffice to say that they have a nose for smoke. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAMuffin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 hours ago, El Presidente said: "As it becomes harder for under 18s to buy from legitimate sources, illegal tobacco trading creates a cheap source that fuels smoking by young people - giving them habits that put their health at risk, into adulthood.” Come on guys, its not about them trying to collect more taxes or duties....it's for the kids! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nekhyludov Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightonCorgi Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 In the US it's selling non-local state taxed cigarettes imported from other states which is the big deal. Authorities look to see cigarettes being sold have the correct state tax stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gweilgi Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 16/02/2018 at 8:38 AM, El Presidente said: It is estimated that illegal tobacco makes up around 10% of the tobacco market in the UK. The latest official figures indicate 10% of cigarettes, and 39% of rolling tobacco. There was no data on cigars. Of course, what they are really whining about is the loss of revenue. For cigarettes alone, the loss is around £2 billion a year, or 20% of the total take. What none of them seem to understand is the concept of a tipping point. Whether it is alcohol, tobacco or anything else, there is a point beyond which even normally law-abiding citizens say "enough is enough" and turn to alternative sources. This is exemplified by the astonishing fact that only 14% of those who know of illegal tobacco being sold bother to report it to the authorities -- meaning that 85% of people actually support criminal enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastkiller13 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Perhaps the Govt is putting a scent in the tax stamps that the dogs can smell. It seems crazy to think that but how else could a dog tell the difference between a pack of Marlboros or a bag of loose tobacco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlee Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 There's a comedy bit in this somewhere....perhaps a Cheech and Chong routine about the scent of differing tobacco or other flammable material.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 9:21 PM, kuma said: more overreaching by big brother I mean big dog, the man or dog and pockets are being lined with euro, dollars or maybe bitcoin anyone! Dude, I AM "big brother", in many senses of the saying, and even I get that this is a bunch of horseshit, nanny-state, we'll-tell-you-what's-best-for-you, PC and PR crap. Someone's "make work" project for a random underfunded-government department, something for somebody's promotion application into middle-management perhaps, to show how they're "for the little guy" or some crap like that. Just another excuse to pander to another special-interest group, to add yet another layer of bureaucracy, to line someone else's pockets, because "someone" was oh-so-righteously "offended" by cigar/cigarette/tobacco/"other" smoke somewhere along the line, etc., etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (Place hatred of socialism, anti-government soapbox here) I think you people across the pond need to import some indigenous people with rights to build casinos, smoke shops and fireworks stands... -LOL -Piggy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I think the most hilarious thing is that they think it's 10% of the market, I'd venture is far more like a third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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