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Mininum Humidity Before Cigar Damage?

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10 hours ago, CigSid said:

If you store long term in the low 60’s to upper 50’s you will eventually ruin your cigars. This is a fact, not an opinion.

I think you meant to say "this, in fact, is an opinion."

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6 hours ago, FatherOfPugs said:

I don't let my RH fall below 60%, and so far it's served me well. Not really wanting to see how low I can go before something happens.

Below 60% you are playing Russian Roulette. I myself would not go lower than 62% humidity, but tend to be conservative. 

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39 minutes ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

I think you meant to say "this, in fact, is an opinion."

Thank you for your opinion 😊 

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1 hour ago, sjmistry said:

Thanks for responding. When I run short on space, I temporarily store boxes in freezer bags with a Boveda, usually a 62%. This time, the bag was left open. It was probably a few weeks/one month. Cigars felt dry but they still had their sheen. Ambient temp in the closet is about 65 degrees and humidity is usually around 30 to 40%. 

Is there anything that I should check for in regards to damage? If I put them back in storage can they be revived? Or are they gone? 

In the past, it has taken close to a month to receive cigars, when ordered and shipped to me. I am going about it as if I just need to let them reacclimate. 

-Shake

I think you will be ok... just put them back in your humidor for a month or two, they should be fine.

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1 hour ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

That's a very bold statement given the company we all have here. 

Yes, you are right... however I did say “most” of the people that know me... I should have said “among” the best, but it’s not me that’s saying it 😂 

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being in Spain, I found one cigar shop with a lot of very interesting and rare cigars in broken humidor. the humidity was 58%. that city is close to the sea. I bought just 20-30 cigars because was afraid of they might be ruined. After couple of months in my humidor at 65% those got brilliant. and I was sorry I didn't buy more.

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1 hour ago, Piligrim said:

being in Spain, I found one cigar shop with a lot of very interesting and rare cigars in broken humidor. the humidity was 58%. that city is close to the sea. I bought just 20-30 cigars because was afraid of they might be ruined. After couple of months in my humidor at 65% those got brilliant. and I was sorry I didn't buy more.

It probably wasn’t broken very long, and the cigars just needed rehydration. 

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It probably wasn’t broken very long, and the cigars just needed rehydration. 
They told me it was broken for few months, but the thing is most of the time they have pretty high humidity outside.

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17 minutes ago, Piligrim said:

They told me it was broken for few months, but the thing is most of the time they have pretty high humidity outside.

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That makes sense. Makes you wonder why they kept rare cigars in there.

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46 minutes ago, CigSid said:
That makes sense. Makes you wonder why they kept rare cigars in there.

That's just small shop in small town. The founder died and his family isn't so good in business as he was.

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6 hours ago, JohnS said:

One can store their cigars in the mid to high 50's Relative Humidity if their temperature setting is relative to maintaining acceptable percentage of moisture in their cigars. So when MRN states that he keeps his cigars at 55% to 60% RH long-term (in the Montehiba blog interview with Robert Hebenstreit) , we need to factor that he also states that he keeps these cigars at 12°C (54°F). Typically, you want your Habanos cigars to contain around 9% to 12% moisture. So @CigSid is correct, in a sense, to state that storing cigars below 60%RH will cause damage (in drying out the cigars) because he's correctly assuming that the greater majority of cigar enthusiasts store their cigars at higher temperatures, typically more around 21°C (70°F) or slightly less.

@PigFish addresses this further in this pinned topic in the humidor tutorial sub-forum. Also, check this diagram he's posted here.

John, thank you for the clarification brother.

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On 2/14/2019 at 12:28 AM, LonesomeHabanoAficionado said:

 By the way, I want to know why NC smokers prefer high humidity like 69-70% unlike CCs 😲...

 

This is honestly something of a myth. Yes, there are some NC's that smoke better at 70%, but there is actually a pretty large contingent of NC smokers that prefer 65% for most all their NC smokes. My personal preference, even for NC's is 65%, most times a bit lower, though I tend to store for long-term aging at around 68%. Smoking outside in Florida may skew my preferences somewhat, as 70% is just asking for acrid smokes that require frequent re-lights. I wish many tobacconists in the US would stop telling people to store at 70% and instead tell them to store at what works best for their climate and needs.

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One other point I wanted to bring up was the opportunity cost of storage. Yes, I know, it sounds like a strange concept, but you really do get more sharper flavours with Habanos cigars if you lower the humidity. The cost to this is the fact that they will then tend to burn quicker and hotter. Now, for me, that is a problem because when I take to a cigar, well...ask my friends, I really connect with it and find myself smoking too quickly. However, others find they smoke too slowly and so this situation (i.e. lower temperature and humidity storage) suits them better.

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1 minute ago, PigFish said:

...hogwash!

Thanks for sharing.

-Piggy

And... thanks for sharing your opinion!!

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Look at London shop storage (RH/temp, not beetles).  It was a happy accident when they realized that storing cigars LT in the basements at 55RHish and 55-60F birthed stunning cigars. That and glassine wrapping. Certainly more cigars in any one shop's basement there than any of us have, numbers or $, and they turned out ok.

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Now this thread has got me all worried .......I keep mine at 60rh and 65-70F....am I at an okay moisture content to store long term?


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Now this thread has got me all worried .......I keep mine at 60rh and 65-70F....am I at an okay moisture content to store long term?


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I watched the pigfish video but I’m stilll scratching my head a little bit ...anyone with a better understanding please help me determine my moisture content ...thanks !


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16 minutes ago, crking3 said:

Now this thread has got me all worried .......I keep mine at 60rh and 65-70F....am I at an okay moisture content to store long term?


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Your fine.  Better than fine actually. Great in fact. Your exactly where mine are :)

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15 minutes ago, crking3 said:

Now this thread has got me all worried .......I keep mine at 60rh and 65-70F....am I at an okay moisture content to store long term?


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It’s “my opinion” that at those temperatures your humidity is a bit too low. As MRN stated “no one really knows” but with my experience, I have found that humidity levels atound 60 percent, and temps around 65 to 70, will eventually dry your cigars out. After long term exposure to this environment, it will substantially lower the quality of your cigars...

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It’s “my opinion” that at those temperatures your humidity is a bit too low. As MRN stated “no one really knows” but with my experience, I have found that humidity levels atound 60 percent, and temps around 65 to 70, will eventually dry your cigars out. After long term exposure to this environment, it will substantially lower the quality of your cigars...

So what’s a better rh at that temp range according to “your opinion” ? Lol


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Your fine.  Better than fine actually. Great in fact. Your exactly where mine are

It has worked for me just fine over the last couple years and I prefer it smoking at these levels but this thread just got me thinking long term ya kno


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6 hours ago, clickbangdoh said:

This is honestly something of a myth. Yes, there are some NC's that smoke better at 70%, but there is actually a pretty large contingent of NC smokers that prefer 65% for most all their NC smokes. My personal preference, even for NC's is 65%, most times a bit lower, though I tend to store for long-term aging at around 68%. Smoking outside in Florida may skew my preferences somewhat, as 70% is just asking for acrid smokes that require frequent re-lights. I wish many tobacconists in the US would stop telling people to store at 70% and instead tell them to store at what works best for their climate and needs.

I saw even NC people being gravitated to lower humidity (65) instead of 70% since it is too humid for their palettes in nowadays! Things getting changed real fast 😄! I also agree that many B&Ms should stop recommending 70%!

Note. I still really upset that why local B&Ms in my country are still insisting on old 70% rule and traditional Spanish cedar humidor (tupperdor, coolidor and wineador are deserved to be widely used as they are way cheaper and yet more efficient than traditional ones)!

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