Popular Post Ken Gargett Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 The Greatest Food Debates of Our Generation Wait… are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? Beyond water and air, there is nothing in this world more universal than food. Because humans are not capable of photosynthesis, everyone has to eat it and pretty much everyone enjoys that process. But how people enjoy, eat and talk about food obviously varies widely. And that is the cause for some truly great food debates. We can all talk about whether mushrooms are the ultimate pizza topping or just weird, slimy fungus and whether creamer deserves to be anywhere near a cup of coffee. But some food debates go much, much deeper than a preference. Some shake people to their very core, divide brother against brother and get the kids talking on social media. These are those great food debates that will define our generation. Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? istockphoto.com One of the biggest memes of the last few years has been the new-age question: Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? What seems like a joke that originated from a Tumblr post actually brings up a valid question. Is any sort of food item that has an outer shell that fully envelopes a filling a ravioli or a dumpling? Some claim yes, and have labeled as ravioli everything from toaster pastries to Uncrustables to humans. However, others stick to the dictionary definition of this dish and say it’s strictly a small circle or square of pasta that is stuffed with meat or cheese. A Pop-Tart is a hand pie. Next Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? istockphoto.com Not all chicken wings are created equal, even among the best Buffalo wings in America. Just how some people prefer a cake slice with a lot of frosting and others prefer an interior piece, some people like the little drums in a plate of chicken wings and others like the flats. Like many great debates, people took to Twitter to debate drums vs. flats. Drum proponents like the easier eating that comes with that shape, while flat proponents like the breading-to-skin-to-chicken ratio. Next How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Shutterstock Making a PB&J should literally be the easiest thing in the world. You take two pieces of bread, slather them in peanut butter and jelly and then move on. But apparently there is more than one way to do everything, including making a basic sandwich. Some people will take one piece of bread, add peanut butter, put jelly on top of the peanut butter and then add the final slice of bread. Others will put peanut butter on one slice of bread, put jelly on the second slice of bread and then bring the two pieces together. Next How crispy should bacon be? istockphoto.com Bacon is delicious. Unless you’re a vegetarian (or a monster), we can all agree on that. But how cooked should bacon be? Should it be like an all-you-can-eat buffet, where it’s floppy and chewy, or should it be basically burnt to a crisp? Twitter debate queen Chrissy Teigen expressed that she likes a medium-well bacon, with chewy crispy fat and crispy juicy meat. But like all celebrity social media, the debate got out of hand, devolving into whether or not we should even eat pigs — which is its own debate. Next How do you take eggs out of the carton? istockphoto.com Twitter users have opinions on how to remove this breakfast staple from its container. Do you work from one side to the other? Do you grab equally from each side to keep the carton in balance or do you just grab whatever egg looks great? Yes, this is something people actually think about. As for us, as long as we’re cooking up a delicious egg dish, we don’t care where in the carton it comes from. All eggs taste the same. Does pineapple belong on pizza? istockphoto.com Everyone has their favorite pizza toppings. Some folks won’t eat a slice without pepperoni, while others think that particular meat is too spicy. But no pizza topping has the internet quite as divided as pineapple. Some people think it’s just fine when paired with ham, others need it on every single slice, and some people think pineapple on pizza is only for weirdos who don’t understand the concept of dinner. Next Does ranch belong on pizza? Shutterstock Speaking of things that do or do not belong on pizza: Is ranch a suitable dipping sauce or drizzle on a pie? New Yorkers hate ranch on pizza more than any other food, while Midwesterners feel that dipping crust in a little cup of ranch is as close to heaven as we can get on Earth. Next How should you eat pizza? istockphoto.com What does the way you eat pizza say about your personality? A lot, apparently. Some people insist on folding their slices, while others just dive right in. More unorthodox pizza eaters will go for a sideways slice or choose to eat their ‘za with a fork and knife. If you really want to go nuts, you can dive into pizza crust-first. Next Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? istockphoto.com Pizza may just be the most debatable food out there. There are so many incredible pizzas across America, but some stoke controversy just by existing. Yes, we’re talking about deep-dish pizza. Even the best deep-dish in the country is subject to scrutiny: Is a pizza that has a deep, thick crust actually a pizza pie or is it more like a casserole than a flatbread? New Yorkers and pizza purists will call it a casserole, while Chicagoans will defend this signature pie to the death. Next Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? istockphoto.com You’re pretty much always going to eat a bowl of ice cream with a spoon, and attempting to eat a steak with a spoon would result in some level of madness. But some foods fall in the in between, like macaroni and cheese. In 2018, a survey done by mac and cheese producer Annie’s, 71 percent of adults eat their macaroni with a fork, while 28 percent work with a spoon. But fork users must answer one looming question: What do you do with all the cheese sauce? Next Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? istockphoto.com Chicagoans like a lot of things on their hot dogs. Mustards, onions, relish… all OK! Even more unorthodox toppings like pickles, hot peppers and celery salt are just fine in the Windy City. But ketchup? Never! In 2017, Heinz tried to market ketchup as “hot dog sauce” and sell it to Chicagoans, who were not buying it. But really, who is putting ketchup on hot dogs after age 12? Let’s leave that sauce for the fries. Next Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? istockphoto.com What you put on a hot dog isn’t the only questionable thing about that ballpark classic. Here’s a bar debate for the ages: Are hot dogs and burgers sandwiches? From a classification standpoint, yeah, they are. Dictionary.com defines sandwiches as “two or more slices of bread or the like with a layer of meat, fish, cheese, etc., between each pair.” Fair enough, at least when it comes to burgers. Hot dogs, however, are more akin to a sub sandwich, a.k.a. a hero. Speaking of which… Next Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? istockphoto.com There are a lot of regional food names around America, few of which cause the confusion and commotion of sub vs. hero vs. hoagie. Those long sandwiches with various meats, cheeses and peppers are a great lunch but are known by many names. Beyond sub, hoagie and hero, this food item also goes by grinders, wedges and zeps, among other names. And don’t even get us started on pop vs. soda! Next What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? istockphoto.com If you’re eating the butt of a loaf of bread, don’t be alarmed. That’s just the end piece. You know the one, with all the extra crust? This starter and final end slice is the cause of much discussion, and like a long sandwich, it goes by many names. According to Twitter, this piece of bread goes by butt, knob, heel, outside and so, so many other names. Next How do you pronounce caramel? istockphoto.com “Care-uh-mel” or “Car-mel?” This sweet, sticky treat should be easy enough to pronounce (unless you have a mouthful of it), but there’s plenty of regional debate across America. The Western half of the country pronounces caramel with two syllables, completely ignoring that second “a.” Meanwhile, Southerners and New Englanders embrace that second vowel and spread this candy out to three syllables. Next In-n-Out or Shake Shack? istockphoto.com Regional food debates aren’t just limited to what to call something or how to pronounce it. It’s also about cheeseburgers. So, what’s best: In-n-Out or Shake Shack? While a handful of cities have both, In-n-Out is constrained to the West Coast and Texas, and Shake Shack is an East Coast establishment (though it’s rapidly expanding). Both spots have budget-friendly burgers with special sauces and fries and milkshakes with cult followings. Why can’t these burger chains get along? And even better, why can’t these regional chains go national? Next Where do you put the cheese on a burger? istockphoto.com At its core, a cheeseburger has cheese, a patty and two buns. It should be simple! But, like anything, it is not. Where does the cheese go on said burger? Google sparked this particular food debate when they launched their burger emoji with the cheese on the bottom. Yes, it went bottom bun, cheese, patty, toppings then top bun. Madness! Everyone knows the cheese goes between the patty and the top bun, right? Apparently not. Cheese-on-the-bottom fans claim that keeping this portion of their burger where it is helps to keep the patty’s juices from leaking to the bottom of the bun. Others, rightfully, insist this is crazy and that is lettuce’s job. Next Should chili have beans? istockphoto.com If you ask a Texan, beans have no business with chili. And many of the best chili spots in the country fall in line to that. Other chili fans, however, feel like this classic game day dish is nothing without the added texture and flavor of a nice, red kidney bean. How do you slice bagels? istockphoto.com Up until very recently, the world thought it knew everything there was to know about how to eat bagels. You take the bagel, slice it in half, maybe toast it, then add your desired toppings and eat. Enter the city of St. Louis, where, for years, people have been slicing their bagels like a normal loaf of bread. This results in biscotti-shaped pieces of bagel that truly confound people outside of Missouri. Proponents of the “bread-sliced” bagel claim that it allows for maximum amounts of cream cheese per bagel, which, we have to admit is fair. Next Did millennials ruin everything? istockphoto.com Millennials love to debate food, but apparently this generation also likes to ruin food. American cheese. Casual chain restaurant dining. Mayonnaise. If the news reports are to be believed, people born between 1981 and 1996 are destroying all of these things. Is everyone just realizing cheddar is better than a cheese-like product or did millennials really kill all these popular food items? the answers - Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? - if you are eating something called a poptart then you probably can't spell ravioli, let alone eat them. Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? - no instrument, not even the electron microscope, has been devised to measure how small my interest in that could be. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? - do not like peanut butter, hence have never made one, hence refer to the answer above. How crispy should bacon be? - finally, something relevant to the world. i'm for crisp but not too crisp. How do you take eggs out of the carton? - seriously? Does pineapple belong on pizza? - only if being served as your last meal before execution, for the crime of putting pineapple on a pizza. Does ranch belong on pizza? - i have absolutely no idea what ranch is. so the answer is obviously not. How should you eat pizza? - anyone using a knife and fork should suffer the same fate as pizza/pineapple eaters. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? - i could have lived another thousand years and it would never occur to me that anyone would use the term 'casserole' in this manner. so no, not a casserole. Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? neither! neither! you should not eat mac and cheese. Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? - i have no problem with this but hotdogs are not a big thing here. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? are chairs and tables trees? of course not. Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? none of these words make any sense in this context. What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? - it is the crust. never heard it called anything else. How do you pronounce caramel? - i actually heard a bloke on tv the other day talking abut carmel. i thought a few years more school would not have hurt. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? - i have not the slightest clue what this means. Where do you put the cheese on a burger? - i'm reasonably okay with almost anything you can think of on a burger but i do prefer them without cheese. Should chili have beans? - probably the first serious question in the entire lot. i'm probably a with beans guy but no problem if sans beans. How do you slice bagels? - never sliced a bagel in my life but i would assume sliced across in half. 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Wookie Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Since most of this falls under the "junk food" classification, who gives a F--- how one enjoys one's earthly delights? Except for wings...gotta go drum sticks all the way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post benfica_77 Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 Deep dish is a pie not pizza....Pineapple on Pizza is blasphemy and those people should only smoke Monte Opens for life. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fuzz Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 Or if you are a trend setting hipster.... 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alloy Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 There are no beans (red, kidney or black) in chili. I live in Texas. And BBQ brisket is KING!!! Don't mess with Texas y'all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckymtn22 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, benfica_77 said: Deep dish is a pie not pizza....Pineapple on Pizza is blasphemy and those people should only smoke Monte Opens for life. Never had and never will smoked a Monte Open! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 My take on this... Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? - Maybe a really cheap strudel? How can a "pastry" (and I am using the term liberally) be a ravioli... Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? - Flat, but I like both. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? - Not a fan, never make them, but pb on one side, jelly on the other seems logic. How crispy should bacon be? - I like softer slow cooked bacon, need to add that I get real smoked slabs of bacon, not the packaged wet stuff. How do you take eggs out of the carton? - With my hands, I asked my daughter what she thought, she answered that this is a stupid question.... Does pineapple belong on pizza? - only if being served as your last meal before execution, for the crime of putting pineapple on a pizza. Agree on this, or maybe firing squad, I don't know... Does ranch belong on pizza? - No!!!. How should you eat pizza? - anyone using a knife and fork should suffer the same fate as pizza/pineapple eaters - Again, agreed. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? - I guess it's a pizza, not a very good one though... Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? Home made macaroni with melted cheese, spoon. Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? - Ketchup... no, even my kids don't like that. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? No, they are respectively hamburgers and hotdogs. Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? No skin in the game on this one, but we call them subs. What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? - The crust. How do you pronounce caramel? - i actually heard a bloke on tv the other day talking abut carmel. i thought a few years more school would not have hurt - Thoroughly agree, it's missing a letter. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? - Haven't had any of them (from Canada) BUT, a potato roll to me is the best bun for the job. Where do you put the cheese on a burger? - When making them I do bottom. Should chili have beans? - I like beans in chili How do you slice bagels? - In half... barbarians Did millennials ruin everything? - Of course we did, quit complaining boomers! (walks away eating smashed avocado toast feeling quite entitled) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: Will comment on a few... How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? PB on both slices of bread, jelly / jam in the middle. Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? As a kid, we called them spuckies. How do you pronounce caramel? Like it's spelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Surgeon Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? No. Since it's a pastry and not pasta based, it doesn't meet ravioli standards. Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? Drum. Convenience > ratios of breading. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? You mix the peanut butter and jelly on both slices of bread and then bring the bread together. How crispy should bacon be? Crispy just a few notches before the burned stage. If you smack the bacon against the plate and it doesn't break, it isn't crispy enough. How do you take eggs out of the carton? From one end going vertical Does pineapple belong on pizza? Hell no. And as a Canadian I'm sorry we ever invented it. Disgusting. Does ranch belong on pizza? See above. Ranch is a pox. There are so many other sauces that are superior. How should you eat pizza? Any way you want, just hope you don't burn the roof of your mouth. I prefer thick crust pizzas or extremely crisp thin crust so you wouldn't be able to fold it. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? Casserole. Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? A fork. But the cheese sauce should run off the noodles, not be stuck like paste. Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? To each their own but mustard and sauerkraut are the superior condiments. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? are chairs and tables trees? of course not. Is there bread? Is there a filling? If a steak sandwich is a sandwich, hot dogs and burgers certainly are. Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? none of these words make any sense in this context. Hoagie. What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? Garbage. The purpose of it is to keep the double faced slices of bread moist. How do you pronounce caramel? Care-A-mel. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? Shake Shack does have superior shakes, but overall In-N-Out is the superior burger and fries experience. Where do you put the cheese on a burger? Cheese should always be next to the meat, so it melts. Should chili have beans? Of course. I realize Texans are obsessed with beanless chili, but up in these parts we call that spaghetti sauce. How do you slice bagels? The normal way, not like a psychopath. Did millennials ruin everything? - talk about a question to which the answer is self-evident Us Gen-X'ers already ruined everything, but people just forgot about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? Who the hell thinks a pop tart is anything like a ravioli? It is obviously a dessert toastie. Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? Why waste it? Eat. The. Whole. Wing. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Never made it myself, but I would have surmised you spread PB on both slices and put a dollop of jam in the middle How crispy should bacon be? Oh God! What is with people cooking bacon to the point where it is like chewing on broken glass? Bacon should be slightly crispy on the edges, but soft and tender in the middle. How do you take eggs out of the carton? Dump them all out onto the counter at once? What kind of question is this?! Does pineapple belong on pizza? It has it's place as an ingredient. I personally can't stand seafood on pizza. Does ranch belong on pizza? Again, it has it's place. Those fancy shmancy gourmet pizzas can actually quite good. How should you eat pizza? As long as you are not eating by interorectogestion, I don't care. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? It's not pizza, it's not a casserole. It is more like an open top pie. Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? See above re How Should You Eat Pizza Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? I like ketchup and mustard on my hot dogs. I also like cheese on them too. Heck I've even used sambal. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? are chairs and tables trees? of course not. Meat between bread? Sandwich. Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? none of these words make any sense in this context. Who cares, they are sandwiches What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? The end bit, or crust. How do you pronounce caramel? Like it is spelt. Cah-Rah-Mel. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? Each has their pros and cons. Like the Old El Paso ad says, "Why not have both?" Where do you put the cheese on a burger? On top of the burger patty while it is still on the grill so that it melts. Or you can put it on the top bun and grill the bun. (Both top and bottom buns should be buttered and toasted) Should chili have beans? I don't see why not. How do you slice bagels? With a knife horizontally across the middle, just like I do with bread buns. How the heck do you eat it by slicing vertically? Did millennials ruin everything? - talk about a question to which the answer is self-evident Every generation ruins it for the previous and next generation. But Millennials are doing it a helluva lot faster. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossome Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? Is cereal a soup? Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? Drums. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? I actually butter both slices before putting jelly on one, and pb on the other. How crispy should bacon be? The best bacon is at the magical point halfway between crispy and floppy. How do you take eggs out of the carton? I was unaware there was some global controversy over this. Does pineapple belong on pizza? I’ve had pineapple on a pizza before. It was ok. Not great, but ok. Does ranch belong on pizza? Ranch is disgusting on anything. How should you eat pizza? Pizza, like ribs, should only be eaten with your hands. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? Pizza. Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? Fork. Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? Absolutely not! If you put ketchup on a hotdog, the terrorists win. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? Yes. Is this a real question? Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? All three are acceptable. What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? We’ve always called it the heel. Maybe it’s a Midwest thing, like pop. How do you pronounce caramel? Care-uh-mel? Do I walk around all day wearing a monocle and a top hat? No. It’s car-mel. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? In-n-Out, but it still doesn’t live up to the massive hype surrounding it. Where do you put the cheese on a burger? Directly above the meat. Should chili have beans? I’m not scared to mess with Texas, chili is better with beans. How do you slice bagels? Huh?!? Did millennials ruin everything? Ok, Boomer. Nothing makes me feel so old as blaming young people for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailbait Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I’m not qualified to answer much in this world but I can wade in on the In N Out v Shake Shack debate. Is a Porsche 911 Turbo better than a Boxster? I believe most of us would say that the 911 is better. And the people that like Boxsters might say “Fine the 911 is great but it costs twice as much.” Both statements seem like “facts”. The 911 is better. The 911 costs twice as much. I’m in the restaurant industry in Los Angeles and this is CONSTANT question that I am asked. Personally I side with In N Out but a cheeseburger with (admittedly terrible) fries is $5 and Shake Shack is more than twice the cost. Could I make a better hamburger if I doubled my prices? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpm32 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Additives like beans or noodles in chili are for regions where chiles don’t actually grow. Forget the beans and add more chiles and pork fat. Santa Maria style “barbecue” and Cincinnati style “chili” are basically ways us Yankees try to troll Southerners. It works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoliDan Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 5:06 PM, Ken Gargett said: Is a Pop-Tart a ravioli? - it's a pastry, sort of. Is an apple turnover a ravoli? If yes, then fine. Which chicken wing is better: drum or flat? - flat, can eat them in one bite. How do you make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? - the normal way. Extra J, hold the P. How crispy should bacon be? - I like mine rare and flimsy. How do you take eggs out of the carton? - ??? Does pineapple belong on pizza? - if you like it. Put peanut butter and gum drops on your own pizza for all I care. Does ranch belong on pizza? - Not a good pizza. How should you eat pizza? - Just never with a fork and knife. Is deep dish a pizza or a casserole? - it's a pizza. Not a good one, but it is what it is. Should you eat mac and cheese with a fork or spoon? Depends whatever I grab first. No mac and cheese is safe regardless of utensil. Does ketchup belong on a hot dog? - a crappy one, sure. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches? Um. Why the hell not? Is it a sub, hoagie or hero? We called them Grinders What do you call the end slice on a loaf of bread? End How do you pronounce caramel? - I switch. In-n-Out or Shake Shack? - I never had the pleasure, but I'll go with Shake Shack just because. Where do you put the cheese on a burger? - on top Should chili have beans? - not texas or new Mexican green chili, but other chili? Sure. How do you slice bagels? - horizontal? Did millennials ruin everything? - as a gen xer I just agree with whatever the generation speaking to me is griping about. Luckily both generations seem to think i give a crap, and I get to dodge the mud tossing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavLew79 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Jesus Christ! I'm all in a tizz now and not sure how I will cope, going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbandz Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Carmel is a city in California. Why has no one mentioned making a PBJ sandwich by mixing Peanut butter and Jelly together first ? Personally, the only time I use Pineapple on Pizza is with Shrimp. How should Bacon be cooked ? Any way but Sushi. Take eggs out of the carton ? My eggs do not come in a carton, so now, ask me how I remove them from the laying box. Are burgers and hot dogs sandwiches ? If they are on bread,yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 hours ago, garbandz said: Take eggs out of the carton ? My eggs do not come in a carton, so now, ask me how I remove them from the laying box. Up end the chicken coop and let them roll out? Or have you trained the chickens to bring them out for you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Str8BlkCoffee Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 8:48 PM, alloy said: There are no beans (red, kidney or black) in chili. I live in Texas. And BBQ brisket is KING!!! Don't mess with Texas y'all! Aka Hotdog sauce ? I keed, I keed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akela3rd Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 It's a nightmare, to be honest. It would be better to argue about something big...Which is what we've been doing for the last year since the last post in this thread...Sent by spooky action at a distance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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