Puros Y Vino Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 ???? EP Carrillo Pledge Prequel It doesn't look like much but kudos to EPC. Kinda sad to see less Cuban cigars represented these past few years. I know many here, myself included, don't put too much stock into this yearly cigar magazine lists. It makes me wonder how representative these lists are of what cigar smokers tend to reach for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prshah25 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Its a joke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandboy Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Well I knew no.1 wasn’t going to be Cuban once they advertised their annual contest for a giveaway of the top cigar - I don’t think that would be legal under current law. I predict 3 CC’s in the top 25, just like it’s been every year since I’ve been following the list (5 years). 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 As coincidence would have it, our Developing Palates panel review of the Pledge posted this morning before CA's #1. Our take? 5.30, 5.85, 6.00, 5.85. ?♂️ We're doing our CoTY recap show on Monday (can't wait), and then spitting some fire about 2020 releases on the 26th. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitte3 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Cigar Surgeon said: As coincidence would have it, our Developing Palates panel review of the Pledge posted this morning before CA's #1. Our take? 5.30, 5.85, 6.00, 5.85. ?♂️ We're doing our CoTY recap show on Monday (can't wait), and then spitting some fire about 2020 releases on the 26th. Out of a possible 10?! Hahaha, good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, smitte3 said: Out of a possible 10?! Hahaha, good to know. Correct. https://developingpalates.com/reviews/cigar-reviews/team-cigar-review-e-p-carrillo-pledge-prequel/ 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tstew75 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Much like the wine industry these lists suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast & Taste Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 "construction paper" Big Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoH.Amyn Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 who? Every this seems like a mass marketing activity to promote a particular brand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helix Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 All marketing of course. Still enjoy CA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 @bundwallah, I was secretly hoping it would be the Montecristo No.2 because 2020 stock has been so exceptional (I think they give it the nod in 2013, from memory). At least El Pres did give it the No.1 rating in his FoH Top 20 list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterey Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Islandboy said: Well I knew no.1 wasn’t going to be Cuban once they advertised their annual contest for a giveaway of the top cigar - I don’t think that would be legal under current law. I predict 3 CC’s in the top 25, just like it’s been every year since I’ve been following the list (5 years). No. They clearly have a disclaimer about this situation. In case of a cuban, the winner gets the 2nd (or highest rated non-cuban) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAnubis Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Well.... time to throw out all my trash cubans then. What a waste of money they were 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, LordAnubis said: Well.... time to throw out all my trash cubans then. What a waste of money they were Send them up to me and the Sydney boys will dispose of them properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterey Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, smitte3 said: Out of a possible 10?! Hahaha, good to know. If you read the notes on scoring, it is actually not bad. I hate cigar ratings where 99% is between 85 and 100 (sorry guys). Seems like cigars can easily fall between 1 and 10 where an average cigar elsewhere is an 85. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigaraholic Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I believe 2010 was the year CA picked the Monte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDGSN Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, cigaraholic said: I believe 2010 was the year CA picked the Monte 2 Monte No. 2 GUT APR 2013 won one year because I bought a box for a special occasion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri Fi Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 @Islandboy you called it. Three Cubans. The other two being the BBF and RA #2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 14 hours ago, HDGSN said: Monte No. 2 GUT APR 2013 won one year because I bought a box for a special occasion. Yes, it was 2013. CA had a party in Havana on the Tuesday night of the 2014 Habanos festival to commemorate the win for the Montecristo No. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandboy Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, Bri Fi said: @Islandboy you called it. Three Cubans. The other two being the BBF and RA #2 Year after year, 3 token Cubans. I think that's all their advertising plan allows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cigar Surgeon Posted January 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2021 16 hours ago, Monterey said: If you read the notes on scoring, it is actually not bad. I hate cigar ratings where 99% is between 85 and 100 (sorry guys). Seems like cigars can easily fall between 1 and 10 where an average cigar elsewhere is an 85. It is our firm belief that the majority of cigars should be scoring in the average category, where as with the current 90 point scale the majority of cigars are scoring in the 90+ point category. There is this belief that has become commonplace among reviewers that average = bad. Good, very good, and exceptional cigars should be recognized as such and exceptional cigars are outliers not commonplace. IMO. Although we weren't able to get a 2020 Cuban cigar to the entire panel for eligibility this year, we will be doing a live CoTY show this coming Monday to go over our list. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Habana Mike Posted January 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Cigar Surgeon said: It is our firm belief that the majority of cigars should be scoring in the average category, where as with the current 90 point scale the majority of cigars are scoring in the 90+ point category. There is this belief that has become commonplace among reviewers that average = bad. Good, very good, and exceptional cigars should be recognized as such and exceptional cigars are outliers not commonplace. IMO. Although we weren't able to get a 2020 Cuban cigar to the entire panel for eligibility this year, we will be doing a live CoTY show this coming Monday to go over our list. So with the 90-100 scoring a 93 would be a 3/10. Essentially has become a scale from 1 to 10. Anything below 90 must be unsmokeable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Surgeon Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Habana Mike said: So with the 90-100 scoring a 93 would be a 3/10. Essentially has become a scale from 1 to 10. Anything below 90 must be unsmokeable. I mean that's just it. Someone handing out a 98 on the 100 point scale better be prepared to declare it one of the best cigars they've ever smoked in their entire lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokyFontaine Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 4:00 PM, Monterey said: If you read the notes on scoring, it is actually not bad. I hate cigar ratings where 99% is between 85 and 100 (sorry guys). Seems like cigars can easily fall between 1 and 10 where an average cigar elsewhere is an 85. Agreed. The number of times I hear someone complain throughout a whole review of how flat, young, or just not good the cigar is, then give it an 89 is wild to me. If something was barely more than rolled tobacco leaves, that's like, a 40 on my scale. A 90 is a "get at least a couple boxes of these" cigar for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, SmokyFontaine said: Agreed. The number of times I hear someone complain throughout a whole review of how flat, young, or just not good the cigar is, then give it an 89 is wild to me. If something was barely more than rolled tobacco leaves, that's like, a 40 on my scale. A 90 is a "get at least a couple boxes of these" cigar for me. Yeah it's crazy. I think it's a mental/psychological issue with categorization. People are basically ranking cigars relatively, and not giving them an absolute score. So 89 is worse than everything 90+. This is why I use a 5 point scale myself (1=terrible, 2=barely acceptable/acceptable, 3=acceptable/good, 4=good/great, 5=outstanding). 10 point scale is good too, but that's too many categories for me to categorize things consistently. Sometimes I'll use .5/half scores (3.5, 4.5) if I'm really undecided, so I guess that's kind of a 10 point scale., but I never use 0.5, 1.5 or 2.5, so not quite. Guess I should use a 7 point scale 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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