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It is up to date as far as I am aware with everything that has been confirmed officially by HSA through one of their channels. If HSA don't announce it, then I usually wait until a number of dist

I saw news somewhere of the new Flor de Cano being released and it put me in the mood for one. This one is a Flor de Cano Magicos. Very nice cigar though still young. Missing Cuba at this time of

I have some on the way, from a vendor who is now out of stock. As soon as they arrive, if there's no "TC" on the bottom of the box, I'll open one up and we'll know. Though I probably won't b

8 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I wouldn't read into that too much. All regular production had been tripa corta from 2002-2020 and it might even have been written between 2002 and 2010 before the UK ER Short Robusto. Obviously they could still be referring to regular production only.

Eh, not necessarily. The QdO 50 was in the $7-8 range when it debuted. I think it's the same situation. Unpopular brand, first new cigar in 10+ years. If these are a success which they certainly could be based on what they were able to do with the Magicos I would expect the price to get up near $8-9 which is pretty close to the Punch SdP or Monte PE. 

Everything about this release is good preliminarily. Sometimes even HSA gets something right by mistake. 

I am seeing prices of 4.60 euro in Germany and Austria for these.

3.90 euro in France, where the Quai d'Orsay 50 is currently 11 euro.

That would be very, very cheap for a long filler robusto. The Quintero Favorito in France is 4.50 euro.

It is also a little bit odd that they have made them 50 X 127mm (5.0 inches), rather than 50 X 124 (4 7/8 inches), the standard size for a regular robusto.

The packaging is posh for a short filler though. It'll be a nice surprise if they are long filler.

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I am seeing prices of 4.60 euro in Germany and Austria for these.
3.90 euro in France, where the Quai d'Orsay 50 is currently 11 euro.
That would be very, very cheap for a long filler robusto. The Quintero Favorito in France is 4.50 euro.


If these are long fillers for that price I would be very surprised. Although 10c box makes it a little odd. Nah, if these were just $2 more I would bet long filler. the Quintero favo is only 60 cents less then the LFDC so... yeah. Has to be TC.
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A long filler CC Robusto for under $5 seems hard to believe. Even if that's the case they'll sell out instantly and any retailer that can will up their prices.

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13 hours ago, Ryan said:

I am seeing prices of 4.60 euro in Germany and Austria for these.

3.90 euro in France, where the Quai d'Orsay 50 is currently 11 euro.

That would be very, very cheap for a long filler robusto. The Quintero Favorito in France is 4.50 euro.

It is also a little bit odd that they have made them 50 X 127mm (5.0 inches), rather than 50 X 124 (4 7/8 inches), the standard size for a regular robusto.

The packaging is posh for a short filler though. It'll be a nice surprise if they are long filler.

Yes, but are they actually in stock or is that a pre-order price? Everywhere I'm seeing lower prices they're out of stock, as in they haven't received them. The vendors may have pre-priced these based on outdated or incorrect info. IIRC, the initial reports about this cigar had it coming in tins of 10 which would certainly have strongly suggested a short filler. HSA could have made a last-minute decision to upgrade these to premium. 

The one vendor I do see that actually has (or had as of yesterday) had them at 6.25 Euro which would be within the lower margin for a long filler >Robusto for an ultra-low-profile brand that is re-introducing a long filler after nearly 20 years.

I would agree that if the price can be found around 4-6 Euro that would be indicative of a short filler. And I also noticed the odd vitola which again does seem to suggest something funny going on. However, yes, the packaging is consistent with a premium cigar. This would be the first short filler packaged in such a way. Obviously, if there's a TC on the bottom we'll know.

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On 2/26/2021 at 12:23 PM, NSXCIGAR said:

Unfortunately, the Robustos ER was quite disappointing though.

FWIW, I just sampled the Robustos tonight after a year and huge improvement. Some great fruit and floral notes starting to peek out. Much better balance. These might end up being very nice after a couple more years. Interesting these are taking time but the Magicos were ready to go ROTT. 

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1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

FWIW, I just sampled the Robustos tonight after a year and huge improvement. Some great fruit and floral notes starting to peek out. Much better balance. These might end up being very nice after a couple more years. Interesting these are taking time but the Magicos were ready to go ROTT. 

That's good to read as I hated the Robustos when it was released. I went through nearly a box of the Magicos on the other hand and agree that they are a very good cigar. The only downside is that they are in a vitola that I have a ton off and only bought two boxes. 😂

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12 hours ago, gojira said:

That's good to read as I hated the Robustos when it was released.

I was very disappointed with them as well. I found them to be what I caIl "generic Cuban cigar"--clearly Cuban with no character. I stashed a few away just to see if a year or two would change them. Sure enough it did. Went from an 88 to a 92. 

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9 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

reading these are around $65USD for 10 count? 

Initial burst was $75. Can’t say it makes sense to park coin in TC not far off JL2, Epi 2, Short Churchill, D4, RASS, Short de Punch prices.

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3 hours ago, Lrabold89 said:


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Not mine, thankfully. 

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The only chance these have is if they somehow happen to smoke incredibly great. I just don't understand why they continue to punish these marcas with cuts and cheap models. If they want success with LFDC special releases a nice hand made model in the lineup would serve them well. The Magicos would have been a perfect model to introduce permanently. Instead, we get a polished TC turd.

 

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Anyone got further opinions on these? I got a couple of boxes a couple of months ago and have been quite enjoying them. They seem well made and nicely presented. They're not designed to be a complex smoke but do seem to be a step up from the comparable Quintero Favorito. Not at all harsh and with a slight fruitiness, no burn issues and averaging an hour smoking time so they're good value for those on a budget. Just finishing one now so I thought I'd ask...

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On 3/20/2021 at 2:27 PM, MC4 said:

Just as a reference, these are being sold for 28.5 Euro for a box of 10, in Andorra. 

At that price, I'm totally in--yard 'gar or not. 

I just think HSA has this one all wrong. Don't waste a new model and a SLB in a barren, near-forgotten marca on a short-filler throwaway cigar. I just see this as a huge missed opportunity. Reestablishing LFDC as a serious brand with at least one high-quality hand-made model would go a long way to helping sell the special releases they clearly want to focus on. I can make the case the LFDC ERs have been some of the worst performing in the history of the program. The Gran Cano, Grandiosos, Siboney and Casanova are all still available at reasonable prices to this day and all were only 50-60K sticks--totally average for ER production. 

Might this be because nobody knows anything about the damn brand? There are probably 12 people in the world that buy the PC or Selectos regularly and the rest are probably drugstore counter purchases or Duty Free sales. 

I also see this phenomenon with Diplomaticos. Outside of the Bushidos which was a unique release, Dip ERs tend to hang around for a while. Not as bad as LFDC but might this be because no one smokes the darn brand? Having only a Piramides in 25s alienates lots of buyers and it being the only model many retailers don't even carry that. But at least there is a high-quality HM cigar in the lineup so people can become fans of the marca. 

Many people might buy the Elegidos thinking they are better than they are based on presentation and be disappointed. They might think this is the best this marca can do. If they were going to do another TC model they should have kept it in DB or done bundles like the Favoritos. Don't risk turning people off of a marca for no reason. I just am totally puzzled why they don't give this brand--that they clearly want to exploit for ER purposes--a hand made model. The Magicos would have been perfect. Get people into the brand again. Show them what the brand can do. Make them want to try a LFDC ER. 

There are only 27 brands. Each and every one should be respected or cut, particularly if they're trying to cash in with special releases. The poor performance of the LFDC ERs makes me afraid distributors will be hesitant to choose it in the future. 

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13 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

At that price, I'm totally in--yard 'gar or not. 

I just think HSA has this one all wrong. Don't waste a new model and a SLB in a barren, near-forgotten marca on a short-filler throwaway cigar. I just see this as a huge missed opportunity. Reestablishing LFDC as a serious brand with at least one high-quality hand-made model would go a long way to helping sell the special releases they clearly want to focus on. I can make the case the LFDC ERs have been some of the worst performing in the history of the program. The Gran Cano, Grandiosos, Siboney and Casanova are all still available at reasonable prices to this day and all were only 50-60K sticks--totally average for ER production. 

Might this be because nobody knows anything about the damn brand? There are probably 12 people in the world that buy the PC or Selectos regularly and the rest are probably drugstore counter purchases or Duty Free sales. 

I also see this phenomenon with Diplomaticos. Outside of the Bushidos which was a unique release, Dip ERs tend to hang around for a while. Not as bad as LFDC but might this be because no one smokes the darn brand? Having only a Piramides in 25s alienates lots of buyers and it being the only model many retailers don't even carry that. But at least there is a high-quality HM cigar in the lineup so people can become fans of the marca. 

Many people might buy the Elegidos thinking they are better than they are based on presentation and be disappointed. They might think this is the best this marca can do. If they were going to do another TC model they should have kept it in DB or done bundles like the Favoritos. Don't risk turning people off of a marca for no reason. I just am totally puzzled why they don't give this brand--that they clearly want to exploit for ER purposes--a hand made model. The Magicos would have been perfect. Get people into the brand again. Show them what the brand can do. Make them want to try a LFDC ER. 

There are only 27 brands. Each and every one should be respected or cut, particularly if they're trying to cash in with special releases. The poor performance of the LFDC ERs makes me afraid distributors will be hesitant to choose it in the future. 

I agree with everything you said here. But, My question is, with what tobacco?

Its pretty much a zero sum game for HSA at this point. Any leaf that they cant shove into a short, fat, over priced LE/RE is a lose of potential profit right now. The days of the completely irrational catalogue are done. HSA couldn't care less if RE's sit on the shelves. They get paid by the distributor before the cigars are delivered. 

As much as I personally hate it, HSA would be stupid to add a robusto and figurado to LFDC, or any cigar to the Dip lineup. Even 50,000 of one would be 50,000 (in theory) Robusto RE's that they couldn't roll. If LFDC RE's sit on the shelves, imagine how rp might sell right now and RP sitting on the shelves would eventually be HSA's problem. 

Again, I agree with you completely, but it would be all risk and very little potential reward for some very risk averse people. 

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