Beginner's Corner: A rough guide to ageing and aged Cuban cigars


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2 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

does anyone feel the type of box heavily affects the aging process? Dressed boxes with little cedar outside of a strip included vs slide lid boxes or cabs? I know there is pretty much consensus that take cigars out of cardboard boxes for long term aging. It appears it's 50/50 when it comes to removing from Tubos. 

this is at top of mind right now as I just received 10 Diplo 2's (RAT FEB 20). I'm putting them into an old Diplo 2 box from some '14's I quickly went through. Simple standard dressed diplo 2 box. 

But would it make a difference if I put them into a slide lid box, or cab style box? Even one of those standard Partagas D4 boxes? 

Or is this just another example of over thinking things? 

A bit of overthinking. Dress boxes, Slide lid boxes, and semi boite nature (D4 box) are all plywood now. Slide lid boxes and semi boite nature have a cedar veneer. I think only full boite nature (and cabinets like Sir Winston and 898 boxes) are still fully cedar.

https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/packaging/information#Packaging_Types

One potential advantage of slide lid boxes though is the fact that cigars are touching each other more I guess, vs just being side by side.

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3 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

does anyone feel the type of box heavily affects the aging process? Dressed boxes with little cedar outside of a strip included vs slide lid boxes or cabs? I know there is pretty much consensus that take cigars out of cardboard boxes for long term aging. It appears it's 50/50 when it comes to removing from Tubos. 

this is at top of mind right now as I just received 10 Diplo 2's (RAT FEB 20). I'm putting them into an old Diplo 2 box from some '14's I quickly went through. Simple standard dressed diplo 2 box. 

But would it make a difference if I put them into a slide lid box, or cab style box? Even one of those standard Partagas D4 boxes? 

Or is this just another example of over thinking things? 

No difference, just avoid the cardboard or remove them and store in old boxes or tray.

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I don't really do any aging, so can't really speak to that, but for regular storage I do take everything out of the cardboard boxes as I believe they would absorb moisture easily, but i leave nc's in there cellophane and tubos in there closed tubes, and everything seems to be equally humidified that way

9 hours ago, TobaccoRoad said:
Great thread. These types of threads are what brought me to this forum and keep me coming back. 


Yeah, definitely a good place to learn a lot about the hobby.
Been smoking Cigars for 15 years, but until just a couple years ago I never put any effort into learning about the hobby. I simply bought what tasted good and enjoyed smoking them and that was it.
Didn't know anything about it for many years.
Now I try and learn absolutely as much as I can to enhance my smoking experience and also just because I find it interesting how much there is to know about the hobby
In fact, just recently smoked my first Cigar with more than 2 or 3 years age on it, so I have a lot to learn about aging, which is precisely why I started the thread the op mentions
I currently belong to 6 cigar forums and use Tapatalk to keep track of them all, so obviously I am doing a lot of reading and learning, lol

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14 hours ago, Bijan said:

Dress boxes, Slide lid boxes, and semi boite nature (D4 box) are all plywood now.

Does this mean that it is okay to age in dress boxes? Or should I try and find another means for long term aging? I don't have too many SLBs lying around.

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4 minutes ago, jonnyfromiranny said:

Does this mean that it is okay to age in dress boxes? Or should I try and find another means for long term aging? I don't have too many SLBs lying around.

Yeah I'd think dress boxes should be fine.

Edit: more or less same material in dress boxes and SLBs except plywood is covered in paper in dress box and thin layer of cedar in SLB.

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6 hours ago, jonnyfromiranny said:

Does this mean that it is okay to age in dress boxes? Or should I try and find another means for long term aging? I don't have too many SLBs lying around.

Dress boxes are fine

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Agreed, excellent write up.

Have discovered that aging just isnt for me, so 2 to 3 years because of the manufacture date or simply sitting in my stash randomly aging, is it for me.

I'm certainly in the minority on aged cigars, so I'm sure your write up will help many people looking to properly age their smokes.

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On 4/20/2021 at 7:36 AM, CaptainQuintero said:

  @smbauerllc put the whole issue into focus with one simple question earlier this week: 

"Why do you personally feel Cuban's improve with age? What about them do you feel improves?" 

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If you've received cigars from an online source its advised to let the cigars rest for a minimum of 90 days to let them acclimatise from the journey (Retailer storage>Shipping Office>Transport of truck/aeroplane/truck>Postal office>Truck>Your Home) and the changes in temperature/humidity that it suffered. ...

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So after all that, the answer to the question is after that initial 4 years or so of settling down, ageing isn't something that intrinsically makes a cigar better. It's usually someone chasing a particular aspect of a cigar that they enjoy. Ageing won't make a bad cigar into a good one and it won't fix issues with construction. You will always need a good quality example of any cigar you intend to lay down. It's sending a cigar to a finishing school. Sometimes they graduate will honours, sometimes they crash out and lose some of the characteristics that make them what they are. It's a very subjective journey into what you enjoy from specific cigars, but it's an enjoyable one that you can take your time with.

 

Okay, let's say for the purposes of discussion that I have just received a box of RyJ Coronitas en Cedro, box UBM OCT 18.

These cigars were rolled at some point prior to Oct 2018, rested and then boxed. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Then, they were shipped all over the world and finally arrived at my house yesterday. Since they are subject to so many different temps and conditions over the past three years(!) have they really "AGED"? Or do they really start aging when they hit my humidor?

For my Nic/Honds, I obviously never know the date and the "aging" starts when they hit my boxes.

What are your thoughts on this?

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1 hour ago, ParkitoATL said:

Okay, let's say for the purposes of discussion that I have just received a box of RyJ Coronitas en Cedro, box UBM OCT 18.

These cigars were rolled at some point prior to Oct 2018, rested and then boxed. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Then, they were shipped all over the world and finally arrived at my house yesterday. Since they are subject to so many different temps and conditions over the past three years(!) have they really "AGED"? Or do they really start aging when they hit my humidor?

For my Nic/Honds, I obviously never know the date and the "aging" starts when they hit my boxes.

What are your thoughts on this?

 Personally I'd certainly say they have aged. There's probably a discussion to be had about if X amount of time in a stabled environment is better than the same about of time in changing environment conditions, but with the nature of cigars being handmade it's going to come along with a bus load of caveats 

  Oxygen will start to effect tobacco from the moment it's exposed to it. I'd hazard a guess that keeping a cigar in a freezer is one of the few things that would seriously inhibit ageing, but that's my pub science, I'm sure there's others on here with a much better science background who could chime in

  But yeah your box will have aged, there's a drift here in regards to preferential smoking conditions of a cigar though

 

 

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