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8 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Please don't. Not today. 👍

ahh, didn't mean nothing by it. with out news or a clear picture of what's happening in cuba at the moment, its about the only thing I can productively worry about.

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Just got back from an SOSCubaNYC March. I had the bullhorn for a few minutes to tell my story and why I'm there to support. So many amazing Cubans marching as one. We walked from Times Square to Union

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2 hours ago, dowjr1 said:

There are some people in the US who seem to love communism and socialism.  Can we just do a big swap and send them down and bring the Liberty loving American flag waving Cubans up?

Yes!

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Riots have intensified today for sure. Video coming out now of buildings being trashed, more cars being flipped, and people getting shot at. Word from friends in Holguin and SAB that there are significant officers and military members that are split on who’s side to take. 
 

I agree that this has nothing to do with the USA. This has everything to do with the tyrannical regime that has been in power since 1959. 
 

EDIT: Word is that Venezuelan special forces are coming tonight to reinforce the revolutions violence against an unarmed public.

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10 minutes ago, Jimmy_jack said:

Would be great if some concerned governments would keep the Venezuelan commies from assisting the Cuban commies. Oh well. 

If this all happens I'm worried the US may get involved. we've fought one war here before had and troops on the ground a couple times after that and had a US backed indigenous invasion.

Wars are like herpes, they always break out in the same places.

not looking forward to what's to come, wishing the Cuban government would just allow the protests to continue with out violence.

 

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16 minutes ago, Jimmy_jack said:

Would be great if some concerned governments would keep the Venezuelan commies from assisting the Cuban commies.

A successful revolution in one has to scare the ever living crap out of the other.  The dynamic Chavez and Castros formed is an unfortunate dynamic for the people of both nations.  Patria y Vida.

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12 hours ago, dgixxer252525 said:

 

13 hours ago, Kevin48438 said:

What is the goal of the protesters?  They’re getting shot and likely worse, arrested for it.

Freedom

 

I get that as an “ultimate” goal.  But that is vague to a degree.  How do the protesters intend to accomplish that?

Are they wanting the party to replace Diaz-Canel with a different party member?

Are they wanting free elections with parties that can challenge The Communist Party of Cuba?

A new constitution focusing on individual rights?

Do they have a leader/government that they believe to be more benevolent that they wish to install?

Do they want the top 100k “revolutionaries” to swim off to Mexico and Guatemala?

Do they want the UN or some foreigners to rule by mandate until a more permanent solution is decided?

The point is, expressing dissatisfaction is just part of a plan.  History is replete with ineffective uprisings and failed coups.

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9 minutes ago, Ryan said:

All good stuff guys. But please, a new thread to continue discussion of the macro, Capitalism vs Marxism. This thread could be useful for the specifics of what is happening right now in Cuba.

Yes, thank you. People in Cuba aren’t rising up for esoteric political reasons or to teach Americans why AOC is dangerous. I care about THEIR struggle for freedom from oppression, so let’s keep the focus there on this thread. 

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31 minutes ago, Ryan said:

They want access to food and medicine. The basics. Covid and failed policy have escalated the problems. Mobile internet access (at least up until Sunday) has allowed protests to get organised somewhat.

It's not just Covid medicine they need either. Just about every kind of treatment drug and painkiller. People are dying due to lack of access to the basics. Much worse in the last few months than probably any time since 1959.

A small anecdotal example. I have a friend in Jaimanitas who has MS, a young mother. Two weeks ago, she had to go and buy a month's supply of Interferon from a dying man. Now she has medicine for a month.

Diaz-Canal is keeping up the position that the unrest is caused by influence from across the straits, of course. That it is a new form of Imperialism from the US that he says has never gone away. I hope nothing is done that could give any kind of fuel to that argument.

Hints above that "supplies other than food and medicine is being loaded on boats bound for Cuba", that would almost certainly backfire, if there is any truth to those rumours. "Freedom", as also stated above, is important yes, but at least as important to Cubans, given their history, is Independence. The best possibility of change happening, and sticking, in Cuba is if Cubans can be seen to have done it for and by themselves. 

News images of any weapons being unloaded from the US would at very least cause a wobble in determination and could have people switching sides. People. anywhere, will put up with a lot of hardship if they believe they are doing it to withstand aggression from a foreign enemy, as has been seen up until now in Cuba.

Cubans need help and supplies yes, foreign influence, no.

That’s all good and well. We all know a peaceful protest in the streets will only end the same way it always has. Mansions will need to burn and politicians will need to abandon the island for change to occur. That’s the truth. Hopefully they can do it alone, but that is unlikely. They have no resources to do it, unless their brothers and sisters in the military join them.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy_jack said:

That’s all good and well. We all know a peaceful protest in the streets will only end the same way it always has. Mansions will need to burn and politicians will need to abandon the island for change to occur. That’s the truth. Hopefully they can do it alone, but that is unlikely. They have no resources to do it, unless their brothers and sisters in the military join them.

Spot on. They have no democracy or any means to a peaceful change in policy. Sadly that is the only way any change will ever come to Cuba. Unfortunately I am sure China will be very quick to offer aid to the govt. That would trigger a scary chain of events.  

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2 minutes ago, djrey said:

Unfortunately I am sure China will be very quick to offer aid to the govt.

This worries me as well. Russia too will do doubt do what they can to prop up the government. 

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