Should Employers have the right to request staff be vaccinated?

[Ken Gargett]

one final vaccine-related post for today, hopefully.

chatting to a mate of mine last night. 

he was telling me about a friend of his wife, with whom he was recently talking at a dinner party.

this friend is apparently extremely obese and always has been. always eating. she drinks heavily, every day. usually by herself before the hubby is home. she smokes at least a pack a day.

when the topic of the vaccine came up - inevitable these days - she was adamant that under no circumstances would she get it. 

my mate asked her why.

"because i am very careful about what i put into my body".

my mate had to leave for outside for "fresh air" immediately, but mostly because he did not want to be seen laughing in front of her. 

humans are very odd creatures. 

[El Presidente]

Just now, Ken Gargett said:

always eating. she drinks heavily, every day. usually by herself before the hubby is home. she smokes at least a pack a day.

 

God bless her 

[riderpride]

4 hours ago, dgixxer252525 said:

We aren’t talking draft or war or anything other than mandated vaccines. I think as an American, I have the right to choose what I put in my body and if I want to assume the risk of not getting a vaccine that is proven to work, then I should be allowed to assume that risk. I’d only be killing other people who knowingly assumed the same risk.

Unfortunately that's not the case at all; there are many who cannot receive it for many reasons such as small children.  My son caught the chicken pox while only a few months old from a child who could have been vaccinated several years prior but the parents were anti-vaxxers. Infants must rely on herd immunity as the vaccine is not available until 12 months, but unfortunately there are those who don't share the same level of concern or care for my family that I do. Chickenpox in a healthy 5-year-old is an inconvenience - the same in our infant resulted in high fever and hospitalization. I wish that on no one.

[dominattorney]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

God bless her 

She says, with her actions, what we are all thinking. Living her truth. 

[Meklown]

5 hours ago, Kitchen said:

Poor countries lack the .......  will to do so

huh. not sure where you get this impression from? 

how about the fact that some countries hoard them and other countries are simply too poor to afford them?

[Fuzz]

4 hours ago, riderpride said:

Unfortunately that's not the case at all; there are many who cannot receive it for many reasons such as small children.  My son caught the chicken pox while only a few months old from a child who could have been vaccinated several years prior but the parents were anti-vaxxers. Infants must rely on herd immunity as the vaccine is not available until 12 months, but unfortunately there are those who don't share the same level of concern or care for my family that I do. Chickenpox in a healthy 5-year-old is an inconvenience - the same in our infant resulted in high fever and hospitalization. I wish that on no one.

I know that personally. I contracted chickenpox at 6 months old from a relative's child who didn't tell my parents their kid was infected.

[El Presidente]

4 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

I know that personally. I contracted chickenpox at 6 months old from a relative's child who didn't tell my parents their kid was infected.

....that explains a lot 

[Akela3rd]

Love it. Almost 400 posts in - much ranting, raving, dick waving, serious points made and serious points dismissed - and a bunch of Aussie mates bring it all back down to you, me and the other one having a joke and a smile.
Thanks for the reset

Sent by spooky action at a distance

[Fuzz]

5 hours ago, El Presidente said:

....that explains a lot 

Damn straight. If I hadn't got it so young, I would be a strapping, 7' tall goliath.

[Ken Gargett]

this was from a piece on some of the mandates already in place around the world. 

 

BRITAIN

It will be mandatory for care home workers in England to have vaccinations from October.

English nightclubs and other venues with large crowds will require patrons to present proof of full vaccination from the end of September.

CANADA

Canada said on Aug. 13 it will soon require all federal public servants and many other workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19. The vaccine mandate will also include air, train and cruise ship travellers.

British Columbia is mandating COVID-19 vaccines for all staff working in long-term care homes and assisted living facilities, officials announced on Aug. 12, becoming one of the first Canadian provinces to do so.

FIJI

As of Aug. 15 unvaccinated public servants in Fiji would be forced to go on leave, according to CAN (https://bit.ly/3AJ5Yeq). The public servants who will remain unvaccinated by November will be dismissed.

FRANCE

The French parliament on Aug. 2 approved a bill that will make vaccinations mandatory for health workers as well as require a bolstered health pass in many social venues.

The government said on July 19 that the planned 45,000 euro ($53,456) fine for businesses that do not check that clients have a health pass will be much lower, starting at up to 1,500 euros and increasing progressively for repeat offenders.

GREECE

Greece on July 12 made vaccinations mandatory for nursing home staff with immediate effect and healthcare workers from September. As part of new measures, only vaccinated customers are allowed in bars, cinemas, theatres and other closed spaces.

INDONESIA

Indonesia made inoculations mandatory in February, threatening fines of up to 5 million rupiah ($357).

ITALY

A decree approved by the Italian government in March mandates that health workers, including pharmacists, get vaccinated. Those who refuse could be suspended without pay for the rest of the year.

HUNGARY

Hungary's government has decided to make vaccinations mandatory for healthcare workers.

KAZAKHSTAN

Kazakhstan will introduce mandatory vaccinations or weekly testing for people working in groups of more than 20.

LEBANON

Lebanon is to limit entry to restaurants, cafes, pubs and beaches to people holding vaccine certificates or those who have taken antibody tests.

Non-vaccinated employees of these establishments would be required to receive a PCR test every 72 hours.

MALTA

Malta banned visitors from entering the country from July 14 unless they were fully vaccinated.

MICRONESIA

The small South Pacific island nation of The Federated States of Micronesia has mandated that its adult population be inoculated against COVID-19. The Pacific island nation said on July 29 everyone over 18 years will have to receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

POLAND

Poland could make vaccinations obligatory for some people at high risk from COVID-19 from August.

RUSSIA

Moscow city authorities on June 16 ordered all workers with public facing roles to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Companies were given a month to ensure at least 60% of staff had received first doses, or face fines or temporary closure.

Moscow residents no longer have to present a QR code demonstrating they have been vaccinated or have immunity in order to sit in cafes, restaurants and bars from July 19.

SAUDI ARABIA

In May, Saudi Arabia mandated that all public and private sector workers wishing to attend a workplace get vaccinated, without specifying when this would be implemented.

Vaccination will also be required to enter any government, private, or education establishments and to use public transport as of Aug. 1.

Saudi citizens will need two doses before they can travel outside the kingdom from Aug. 9, state news agency SPA reported on July 19, citing the ministry of interior.

SRI LANKA

Sri Lanka announced on Aug. 13 that citizens would require vaccination cards to travel between provinces and in public spaces as of Sept. 15, according to Business Standard

TURKMENISTAN

Turkmenistan is making vaccination mandatory for all residents aged 18 and over.

UNITED STATES

US President Joe Biden on July 30 urged local governments to pay people to get vaccinated, and set new rules requiring federal workers to provide proof of vaccination or face regular testing, mask mandates and travel restrictions.

The White House confirmed on Aug. 5 it is considering requiring foreign visitors to be vaccinated as it plans to eventually reopen international travel but said it had made no final decision and was not immediately going to lift restrictions.

New York City will become the first major U.S. city to require, from Sept. 13, proof of vaccination for customers and staff at restaurants, gyms and other indoor businesses as the country enters a new phase of battling the Delta variant.

New York will require state employees to be vaccinated or get tested weekly, a mandate that will go into effect on Sept. 6, Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority will require their workers to get the vaccine or get tested weekly.

New Jersey state healthcare workers and employees who work in jails must by vaccinated by Sept. 7 or face testing twice a week.

California Governor Gavin Newsom said that all state employees would be ordered to get vaccinated starting Aug. 2 or undergo testing at least once a week.

Denver municipal employees and people working in high-risk settings in the city will be required to get vaccinated, Mayor Michael Hancock said on Aug. 2.

The cities of San Francisco and New Orleans on Aug. 12 ordered patrons to show proof of COVID-19 vaccinations to enter restaurants, gyms and other venues.

[RedLantern]

Washington State requires all healthcare and education employees to be vaccinated. No testing alternative. Medical abs religious exemptions only.

[Cigar Surgeon]

7 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

CANADA

Canada said on Aug. 13 it will soon require all federal public servants and many other workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19. The vaccine mandate will also include air, train and cruise ship travellers.

British Columbia is mandating COVID-19 vaccines for all staff working in long-term care homes and assisted living facilities, officials announced on Aug. 12, becoming one of the first Canadian provinces to do so.

Also the Province of Quebec is implementing a vaccine passport September 1st: https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/progress-of-the-covid-19-vaccination/covid-19-vaccination-passport

 

Quote

 

Work on the passport is continuing, but we expect it will be used for the following non-essential activities:

• High-risk activities with a limited number of people (gyms, team sports, bars, restaurants, etc.)
• Moderate- or low-risk activities with bigger groups of people (arts and entertainment, festivals and major events, games at sports stadiums, etc.)

 

[Tstew75]

Changes coming this fall in Oregon: all teachers, school staff and volunteers + all health care workers must be vaccinated & can no longer rely on testing alone. A reversal of earlier course, and a good one.

[RedLantern]

I'm curious how long after FDA approval comes it will take for schools to require students to be vaccinated?

[BrightonCorgi]

46 minutes ago, RedLantern said:

I'm curious how long after FDA approval comes it will take for schools to require students to be vaccinated?

That day lol

[Ken Gargett]

saw an interesting piece on the future of travel. forget first class and business class and so on. now just two classes.

jabbed or not jabbed.