El Presidente Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 One for you good people. How often have you personally seen dogrockets transform into rockstars/good cigars. " I have some Partagas 898 that were full of amonia in 2014 and now 7 years later they still smoke sour with an unpleasant metallic bite. Will they ever come good Rob? Storage is good at 65% RH and temp is stable. All my other boxes smoke fine. Rob have you ever seen dog rockets become rockstars? I am not even looking for a rockstar cigar, I would just settle for them to become smokeable." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 If the taste is ammonia, that could dissipate. Other than that, a bad cigar typically doesn't become great. A bad cigar might become smokeable but it takes something at least mediocre to start with to become great. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Çnote Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, El Presidente said: 7 years later they still smoke sour with an unpleasant metallic bite This doesn't sound promising, but I'm full of hope that they'll turn a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dozerhead Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 In my experience, if you have a box of duds, nothing will change that. Not even time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcarlson Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I've had R&J Churchills and Cohibas that went from "wow, these kind of suck" to "incredible" with a few years. Maybe not dog rockets, but "key somebody's car" blah. 7 years is way outside the zone of "coming around still possible" though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tstew75 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 A turd is a turd. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, Tstew75 said: A turd is a turd. Agreed. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still remains a pig. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrightonCorgi Posted November 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2021 Hydroscopic, tannic, or "sick phase" cigars can turn around with time. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMcLean68 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 As for the old saying "you can't polish a turd", someone has proved that wrong. In general though I don't think this applies to cigars any more than it applies to wine or cheese. Cigars maybe smokable after some time, but if it starts out a dog rocket I think you're shooting for at best mediocre. Garbage in, garbage out is more appropriate in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigaraholic Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 There are a great many people that get paid very well to polish turds for a living.....even orange turds...but Mother Nature doesn’t waist her time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edicion Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I would take 1-2 cigars to dry out a bit, maybe a few days in the open, get some fresh air. Bring them back to 62% for a week and give one a try. Nothing to lose anyway, but a lot to gain if it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 A complete dog rocket? Never. But a cigar with some redeeming qualities, however minute, can sometimes come back around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meklown Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I find that most ammonia cases will be fixed by air and time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99call Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 For me its key to discern whether or not this person actually knows they like Party 898's, or this is a box specific issue. Certain blends translate themselves as 'bad cigars' to some people. For example someone might think a charcoal or burnt jam flavour in a R&J Cazadore is a bad batch.......but it is just the blend. If I were that person, I would buy a few singles of the 898's in a B&M (if they could even find them). If they really like those singles, and are convinced they have a dud box, move them on. One mans trash is another mans treasure I don't think any cigars have the ability to change vastly after a 7yr window. it's all just incremental ups or downs after that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Tigre Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Read somewhere a time long ago (pre-Covid) that freezing for intermittent periods will help remove the ammonia/harshness. Such as freeze for a month (double freezer bagged) and thaw then revisit in 3 months. Anyone else run across this info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notsocleaver Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Some ligero packed NCs can mellow out over time. Some of the old Don Pepin blends got really good after 3-5 years of age to take off the rough edges. With CCs its usually the ammonia. I have some 2016 Punch Punch that took 3 years to really taste right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairo Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Notsocleaver said: Some ligero packed NCs can mellow out over time. lol. Some of them are totally unsmokeable without at least a year of rest imho. I have some ten year plus NCs (strong Nics) that have calmed down and smoke very well right now. That is why I sometimes laugh when folks around here complain about NCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Ninja Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Some ligero packed NCs can mellow out over time. Some of the old Don Pepin blends got really good after 3-5 years of age to take off the rough edges. With CCs its usually the ammonia. I have some 2016 Punch Punch that took 3 years to really taste right.I had an OG El Centurion that was amazing last year. I haven’t had much of the new Pepin stuff, it I remember that cigar been deep, full and really balanced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypots Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Most RASS, imho. I think the '06 cabs taught me the lesson, they need time. Those cigars went from WTF to OMG in five years. I don't smoke many young cigars now so I don't know how the new ones are smoking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Diggamus Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Hydroscopic, tannic, or "sick phase" cigars can turn around with time.I agree with this. I had a cigar from a box of H. Upmann Majestics about 45 days rest and I thought they were possibly rebanded garbage. No discernible flavors and just tasted terrible, I pitched it. But after about the 90 day mark I tried another and it was smokeable, and after more than a year they are rockstars. This is the only cigar in which I have experienced such a large turnaround, but it can happen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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