Edicion Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 From the web. True or not? And is it only Cohiba that has this feature? Keen to learn more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 For me, gluing bands at the photo looks unnatural. Looks like fake. Of course, this happens when the factory has run out of bands of the right size. I've never seen four dots in a row before.... There is no difficulty in fake UV-dots and inscriptions. I have repeatedly seen such fakes.As for the dots, they first appeared at Cohiba Talisman EL 2017. At the end of 2019, they began to meet on regular vitolas. But these were double dots...I couldn't find these posts on the forum, but they were.P.S. Found it https://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/topic/143004-behike-uv-bands/?do=findComment&comment=1010263 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Somebody, somebody who knows how to buy real cigars in Cuba, gave me this cigar, from a box, in Havana last month. No blue dots but this shows up under UV, not at all visible under natural, visible light. What do people here think? Are these numbers being faked yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Somebody, somebody who knows how to buy real cigars in Cuba, gave me this cigar, from a box, in Havana last month. No blue dots but this shows up under UV, not at all visible under natural, visible light. What do people here think? Are these numbers being faked yet? The numbers can faked, I've seen a band with numbers, but the profile of the native and the holograms are terrible. Blue dots are often hidden under gluing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, nKostyan said: The numbers can faked, I've seen a band with numbers, but the profile of the native and the holograms are terrible. Blue dots are often hidden under gluing Here’s a natural light picture of the same band. If it’s fake, it’s worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Here’s a few angles in natural light. I think the video has to be downloaded to play. IMG_0070.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Recently I have been additionally using a microscope for a smartphone Here the blue dots were hidden under the gluing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Plume glows under UV light, doesn't it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevrknow Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Fuzz said: Plume glows under UV light, doesn't it.... I hope so. I store mine under UV light. Going for the "added value". 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edicion Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Ryan said: Here’s a natural light picture of the same band. If it’s fake, it’s worrying. Looks very authentic to my untrained eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edicion Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 14 hours ago, nKostyan said: For me, gluing bands at the photo looks unnatural. Looks like fake. Of course, this happens when the factory has run out of bands of the right size. I've never seen four dots in a row before.... There is no difficulty in fake UV-dots and inscriptions. I have repeatedly seen such fakes. As for the dots, they first appeared at Cohiba Talisman EL 2017. At the end of 2019, they began to meet on regular vitolas. But these were double dots... I couldn't find these posts on the forum, but they were. P.S. Found it https://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/topic/143004-behike-uv-bands/?do=findComment&comment=1010263 Thank you @nKostyan. So I take it there is no truth (at least at the moment) in that the blue dots will or should appear on Cohibas to be real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 It's always possible to put real bands on a fake cigar, so these tests can prove that a cigar is fake but can't prove that it is real. As the article on CCW says, pretty much every test for fake cigars only helps to determine if a cigar is fake, there's really no sure way to know it is real: https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/cigar/fakes To quote: " Again....to be totally clear: If a cigar passes a test, that does not prove it is genuine. Ultimately, nothing can ever prove a cigar is genuine. If a cigar fails a definitive test, that is normally sufficient to prove it is a fake. If a cigar fails a indicative test, that does not prove it is a fake, but enough "fails" should raise a reasonable doubt as to the authenticity of the cigars." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Thank you [mention=31765]nKostyan[/mention]. So I take it there is no truth (at least at the moment) in that the blue dots will or should appear on Cohibas to be real? Personally, I feel about it like this:- there are no dots - the reason to be alert and pick up a microscope;- there are dots - this does not mean that the band is original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ATGroom Posted December 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2021 In my observation, the "far dots", ie, two diagonal blue dots on the 2nd and 3rd row a long way from the head is on the large ring 48-54 sized band. The "close dots", ie four diagonal dots on the third thru sixth rows in close to the head is on the smaller gauge 38-47 band. Could be mistaken in this as sample size is quite small. Also, it is very frequent in Cohiba that a big band is trimmed and used on a smaller cigar. Normally they trim from the right side, which removes the UV batch code. Also in this case, often the far dots are now covered by the overlap of the band. So, that is very key if you are about to complain to a vendor about their cigars cigars being fake as they don't have blue dots - check if the band has been trimmed first as that removes or hides this test in many cases. The dots and code appear from 2017 onwards, and should not be visible in natural light. This image was sent to me recently - a microscope image of the band of an otherwise perfect seeming BHK box: Genuine should look like this: It's the first time I've ever heard of fakers replicating the microprinting, albeit not as small as the genuine, but still it shows that the producers of these fake bands are working with extremely sophisticated high quality printing equipment. If they can fake that then a few UV fluorescent dots should be trivial. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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