is FOH generally Left, Centrist or Right leaning in it's discourse?

[Chas.Alpha]

2 minutes ago, havanaclub said:

Oh, I haven’t seen that. I am using Tapatalk.


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I’m still trying to get @MoeFOH to give me a purple monkey. So far, no luck! 🤣

[Edicion]

I appreciate that the forum welcomes opinions of leftists to rightists and everything in between, keeping it open and inclusive.

For me personally I feel it's like walking home after a big night out. I try to keep in the centre of road, but will stumble left and right to get to where I'm going. If I keep leaning to one side too much, I will eventually fall or crash into something. 

[El Presidente]

Just now, Edicion said:

I appreciate that the forum welcomes opinions of leftists to rightists and everything in between, keeping it open and inclusive.

For me personally I feel it's like walking home after a big night out. I try to keep in the centre of road, but will stumble left and right to get to where I'm going. If I keep leaning to one side too much, I will eventually fall or crash into something. 

Bingo. 

If we can keep it like 8 mates at the pub on a Saturday afternoon it would be great. 

Complete mix of beliefs on most things.  Plenty of bulldust abounds. All underpinned by a level of respect while not necessarily agreeing with the others point of view. Always hoping to learn something new. Always hoping to remember that thing the next day. 

[Monterey]

Most if not all cigar forums are to the right.  As someone just left of Center, I just hope that politics never come up.  For sure the general discourse is to the right.  But it may just be my view as someone who is seeing it from the slight left. 

And I've seen the general right talk at all levels here.

Though having said that, I love to light up a cigar and have a great time with anyone, including the hard right,  who respects other viewpoints.

[Fuzz]

One man's right is another man's left.... especially if they are standing face to face.

[Akela3rd]

I’m still trying to get [mention=29515]MoeFOH[/mention] to give me a purple monkey. So far, no luck!

That sounds like an euphemism

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[CaptainQuintero]

9 hours ago, Chas.Alpha said:

I’m still trying to get @MoeFOH to give me a purple monkey. So far, no luck! 🤣

That's a euphemism if I've ever heard one!

[CaptainQuintero]

  I think there's another question hidden in there, I reckon 20 years ago it would have been a difficult question to ask as I think the average person held a mixture of leanings depending on the subject: politics, health, social and military intervention, social support, size of the state, crime and punishment etc. Politics wasn't such a catch all term that poisoned everything and it seemed to be limited to who you voted for on election day (And it was rude to all someone who they voted for)

  Now it seems people have been pushed or coerced into left, right or I don't care anymore as a person's blanket belief and if you venture out of that pigeon hole for, say health, you get attacked from your own side for being a traitor as well as the other side for being scum in the first place. If you're are on one side, you have your own news, social media, echo chamber etc to solidify your views.

  I'm not sure politics was such an all encompassing term a while back. It was just one section which made up your overall view in life, now it seems so black and white.

  FoH I think it's pretty centre, it just depends who's shouting the loudest on any particular day, even then it doesn't particularly mean there's a bent to the forums. It just means someone wants to feel special

[bmac]

Our reply to this thread won’t be used to assign us a “Social” score?

[Chibearsv]

I have an idea, how about we use thought, empathy, creativity, reason, and logic instead of picking any sides in general.  Call me centrist because I'm not picking sides. 

Too many morons are in office no matter what side they're on or where they're located.  Popularity and outrageousness seems to be all the masses care about any more...sad.

FOH is just good fun for me.  There's plenty of wit and intelligence here.  Sometimes the threads get heated up and I'll just sit back and enjoy the show.  Lots of good people to interact with here and mostly lighthearted fun.  I really enjoy reading the different points of view whether I agree or not.  I'm not much for trying to convince anyone that I'm right and they're wrong so I keep out of those types of conversations.

It's not much different than my bunch of old codger friends, we talk, argue, and barb each other when we're together.  But we're all friends at the end of the day.

[Cigar Surgeon]

16 hours ago, Notsocleaver said:

How can we know the latest Gurka 8x80 Fleur de Bite d'âne won't be any good unless you try it? See, its also a little anti-capitalist too. 

Experience. Lots of experience. 

I have a solid understanding of the fundamentals of how an NC blend is made, so I know that inherently anything above a 54 ring gauge becomes extremely unlikely to be good.

Add to that I spend most of my year smoking new releases, I can get a sense of something without smoking it. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

17 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I always have a chuckle  how a % of  US members can only look at a question through star spangled glasses.

You do know there are 191 other  countries 

No doubt, one of the great attributes of FOH is that it provides needed perspective outside the US echo chamber. 🙌

17 hours ago, MrBirdman said:

As an American who has to battle the media’s daily efforts to infantilize us into the “political side-ification” of everything

Ever since 2000, it feels like Geraldo Rivera has taken control of the media and politics in the US.  The past 20 years have been quite the beat down 🤮

[MrBirdman]

18 minutes ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

Ever since 2000, it feels like Geraldo Rivera has taken control of the media and politics in the US.  The past 20 years have been quite the beat down 🤮

Yes, I think 9/11 was the turning point.

[99call]

17 hours ago, Notsocleaver said:

Cuban cigars are an inherently conservative past time in the sense of valuing things like tradition, legacy and patience

Hmmm, I will not comment for America

But in the UK, It's the Left that are now pushing the importance of old world values, honesty, decency, etc.   All the conservative brand in the UK is known for is lies, theft from the public purse,  and corruption. 

Again,  it's just a comment on the UK,  but conservatives can no longer sell themselves as 'Mr Respectable', when they are constantly up to their necks in muck.  These days have past......if they ever existed in the first place. 

[TBird55]

It's all about perspective...a hero is just a villain to the other side.

[BrightonCorgi]

On 12/31/2021 at 5:59 AM, 99call said:

I'm imagine Crass records is a label and nothing to do with the word,  but this is what instantly came to mind.

Crass on the left, Skrewdriver on the right.

 

I have been following this forum for quite some time (15+ years).  I find it's center-left for sure.  Due to the international make up of its members and societies they live in & enjoy.  If it were a US mostly site, it would be center.  Even US cigar sites, there's hardly a chorus of thought.

I use to think cigar smokers were generally leaned right, but that is not the case.  All different strokes enjoy cigars.

[cnov]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

Hmmm, I will not comment for America

But in the UK, It's the Left that are now pushing the importance of old world values, honesty, decency, etc.   All the conservative brand in the UK is known for is lies, theft from the public purse,  and corruption. 

Again,  it's just a comment on the UK,  but conservatives can no longer sell themselves as 'Mr Respectable', when they are constantly up to their necks in muck.  These days have past......if they ever existed in the first place. 

With you 100%, never been a Tory voter but I do not understand what abyone could see in this bunch.

[99call]

29 minutes ago, TBird55 said:

It's all about perspective...a hero is just a villain to the other side.

I think that can be true to a limited degree, but when a politician breaks the basic law of the land,  laws that both the left and right have written into stone.    There is no debating......they are a villain.       Everything after that people are just telling themselves what makes them feel comfortable. 

[Akela3rd]

Crass on the left, Skrewdriver on the right.

Crass were anarchists, saw themselves as outside political labels. The antithesis of Skrewdriver must be The Redskins...

And I saw this in a record shop today and, because of this thread, I had to get it. I blame @Bijan.
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[dominattorney]

23 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I always have a chuckle  how a % of  US members can only look at a question through star spangled glasses.

You do know there are 191 other  countries 

We will have to fact check this one. Hard to see how so many "countries" can fit on a flat earth. Especially suspicious of you blokes "down under."

[Deezwho]

As a theoretical construct taken outside of the newly established worldwide social and political norms of left and right, you would have to assume cigar smokers are generally older, whiter, and more conservative than the general populations of the countries they all live in. 

 

[Fuzz]

1 hour ago, Deezwho said:

As a theoretical construct taken outside of the newly established worldwide social and political norms of left and right, you would have to assume cigar smokers are generally older, whiter, and more conservative than the general populations of the countries they all live in. 

 

Don't worry, my yellow brothers and sisters will soon overtake the pasty old white folk.

[La_Tigre]

On 12/30/2021 at 5:08 PM, El Presidente said:

 

However, no tossers or wankers 

If your immediate thought was “Well, then you’d have to get rid of the xxxxxxxx part of the left/right/center/Martian,” you may be a tosser or wanker.

[Webbo]

13 hours ago, Akela3rd said:

Crass were anarchists, saw themselves as outside political labels. The antithesis of Skrewdriver must be The Redskins...

And I saw this in a record shop today and, because of this thread, I had to get it. I blame @Bijan.
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The Redskins motto was “walk like the Clash, sing like Diana Ross”. My god around 84/5 they almost did!

[Webbo]

On 12/30/2021 at 7:04 PM, Bijan said:

An anarchist punk band from early 80s UK, originally the miner's strike made me think of Billy Bragg, but nothing is more dystopian and angry to me than Crass's album Yes Sir I will, it would be a fitting soundtrack for a post-apocalyptic world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Sir,_I_Will

As a young man in 1984 starting my first job in Sheffield in the middle of the miners strike its impossible that this event would not colour my political and social views for the rest of my lifetime (for non UK members its difficult to explain just how important this event was in the shaping of this country). On my nervous first work day at 18 as a lab technician (I could not afford university and had to study after work for the next 8 bloody years) a slightly older surly guy asked in passing who was my favourite singer/group? "Springsteen" I replied and off he walked without comment, and the next day he brought in the first 2 Billy Bragg albums dropped them in front of me with the curt instruction "get these listened to, this bloke likes Bruce and Bob Dylan too" and walked off. Bragg was a few weeks later on a tour supporting the striking miners, the guy to my surprise then bought us both tickets and off we went. It was the start of a relationship with both men that continues to this day.

In 2019 just before the pandemic locked everything down Billy Bragg played the same small Sheffield venue as in 84 and after 35 years I repaid the favour by buying tickets for me and this guy to attend, we had become the closest of friends and had stayed in touch despite often living and working in different companies and indeed countries, our friendship had survived. The same old songs about politics performed that night could have been written the day before, as we left my mate turned to me with a tear in his eye and said "well not much has changed in the last 35 years has it mate". I am equally happy and sad that this was very true.

Footnote: If you have never heard Billy Bragg or have been put off by his left wing stance give him a go with the early songs about unrequited love, family and life. Tank Park Salute may be the most touching song ever about the loss of a father.