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1 hour ago, smbauerllc said:

Have learned through the roughly 20 vintage and aged smokes I have had so far that I dont really "get it" when it comes to how most people feel about aged sticks.

For the most part I just haven't found them particularly special, just different, and not any better than recent production of the same sticks.

With the vast majority I have actually preferred the recent production better.

Perfect example of your statement about different palates and different likes.

I'm sure I'm in the extreme minority with this

Aged cigars are different and not simply better as you say.

For me the biggest difference is that some cigars are gone and discontinued now. So the aged ones are all that is left.

I don't think you're in the extreme minority especially in practice. Most people here (myself included) are not smoking mainly 20+ year old cigars.

One thing I will say is I think you mentioned you don't retrohale the cigars, and with well aged cigars even more than relatively new cigars, a lot of the flavour/aroma and complexity is in the retrohale vs the palate.

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Aged cigars are different and not simply better as you say.
For me the biggest difference is that some cigars are gone and discontinued now. So the aged ones are all that is left.
I don't think you're in the extreme minority especially in practice. Most people here (myself included) are not smoking mainly 20+ year old cigars.
One thing I will say is I think you mentioned you don't retrohale the cigars, and with well aged cigars even more than relatively new cigars, a lot of the flavour/aroma and complexity is in the retrohale vs the palate.
Yeah, they just aren't worth the price or effort for aged cigars for me.

I understand what you mean about discontinued smokes. Those are a whole different story.

A handful of my aged stock is discounted cigars, but I wanted to try them enough to be willing to pay a bit more for them.

Found private sales to be the best way to go with them.

Yeah, I have heard a lot of people say retrohaling makes a big difference, but it just burns my nose badly, makes me cough my lungs up, and my asthma doesn't appreciate any amount of smoke in my lungs

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3 minutes ago, smbauerllc said:

Yeah, I have heard a lot of people say retrohaling makes a big difference, but it just burns my nose badly, makes me cough my lungs up, and my asthma doesn't appreciate any amount of smoke in my lungs

Definitely being mindful of your health is most important but I think it's possible to retrohale without inhaling any smoke and if you only pass some and not all the smoke through your nose you can avoid the burning.

The technique for me is to "move" the smoke to the back of my mouth and then just breathe out through my nose a bit. Maybe 10%-20% of the smoke goes out that way and I exhale the rest out of my mouth after.

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8 hours ago, smbauerllc said:

I certainly have high hopes for the Espy.

They seem pretty universally loved, and have 9 years on it, so in theory it should be excellent.

Have learned through the roughly 20 vintage and aged smokes I have had so far that I dont really "get it" when it comes to how most people feel about aged sticks.

For the most part I just haven't found them particularly special, just different, and not any better than recent production of the same sticks.

With the vast majority I have actually preferred the recent production better.

Perfect example of your statement about different palates and different likes.

I'm sure I'm in the extreme minority with this

Actually, I am right there with you.  I have always said that aging cigars is not the panacea that some people believe it to be.  Sometimes the cigars taste better to me, sometimes they taste the same to me, and sometimes they taste worse to me.  

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, a lot of young Cuban cigars were basically unsmokable.  They often had a strong ammonia taste and smell to them, so you had to age them to get rid of that.  Sometimes that took years.  Since then, they have gotten progressively better at producing cigars that can be smoked young. Many of them still need a couple of years to be in their prime, but after that, I am not tasting a whole lot of difference.

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20 minutes ago, Bijan said:

Definitely being mindful of your health is most important but I think it's possible to retrohale without inhaling any smoke and if you only pass some and not all the smoke through your nose you can avoid the burning.

The technique for me is to "move" the smoke to the back of my mouth and then just breathe out through my nose a bit. Maybe 10%-20% of the smoke goes out that way and I exhale the rest out of my mouth after.

Retrohale just like Bijan is advising, and it will complete change the game as far as the flavor/taste experience you're getting out of Havanas. I was just like you for a long time (have asthma & bad springtime allergies), but decided to give the technique described here a try. It takes a few efforts to perfect, but you will be amazed just how much more you taste vs. just using your palate. No ill affects to my health either, but I will admit that I do not retrohale my cigars from April to late May until allergy season is over.

As an example, I smoked a VR Famoso from 2015 on Saturday. Excellent cigar with palate detecting sweet tobacco, and a hint of milk chocolate. Retrohaling detected those flavors, but I also got raisins and a spice that I liken to nutmeg (maybe other refer to this as "baking spices" but not sure...). It just really opened up the smoking experience, and I appreciated the nuances of the cigar even more. 

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Just now, FrancisK7 said:

Are Especials in production? 

I don't think I've ever seen a box anywhere in the past 2 years.

Yes, probably limited production but I have an August 2020 box and I've heard of some 2019 boxes too.

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Definitely being mindful of your health is most important but I think it's possible to retrohale without inhaling any smoke and if you only pass some and not all the smoke through your nose you can avoid the burning.
The technique for me is to "move" the smoke to the back of my mouth and then just breathe out through my nose a bit. Maybe 10%-20% of the smoke goes out that way and I exhale the rest out of my mouth after.
Interesting.
I will have to give that method a try.
Thanks for the tip

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5 hours ago, Bijan said:

Yes, probably limited production but I have an August 2020 box and I've heard of some 2019 boxes too.

Can confirm, got a UTL MAY '19 box in a couple of months ago.  

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8 hours ago, Bijan said:

Yes, probably limited production but I have an August 2020 box and I've heard of some 2019 boxes too.

I just received a 2019 box yesterday as a gift. 

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